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every show and this is another episode

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of ufo garage

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i'm ben and i'm joe and this is where we

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talk about ufos

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aliens and all things weird yeah dude

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what's up man what's up bro we got a

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little change of scenery here today

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yeah uh we're at my house in my kitchen

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with uh mr jim goodall

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hey kim jon came by to visit us all uh

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on his on his long road trip and i'm

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excited to hear some stories about it

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man i'm so glad that you were able to

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actually make it out here and uh say hi

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to us i promised you when i

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when i mentioned in san francisco in

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january that

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i wasn't going a road trip and i was

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gonna i was to make sure i went through

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texas there's a lot of people i want to

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see

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yeah and i i was just it was it was a

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i was just drawn to it to do you guys

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you were there in the lobby and it was

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you just it was you just

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you were very happy go look having a

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good time drinking your wine

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and i just i felt comfortable i said i'd

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like these guys and

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i didn't know what i knew i was going to

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come through texas sometime this year

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and the first trip got canceled because

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i was in minneapolis when

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george floyd came to an end yeah and

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they burn up that part of minneapolis

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and my son had to drive through that

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area every day oh that's gotta be more

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yeah that's not fun no no but he drives

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a big truck

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and he says are you in my way ah 800

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horsepower or whatever it is in there

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you're going to go right through yes man

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you know i'm delighted to be here and

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i'm just thrilled and thank you for your

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hospitality and

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dinner and uh your friendship no problem

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man no problem

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thank you uh for the book guys check

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this out jim

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um for those of you who don't know uh

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he's an

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author this is just one of many of his

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books

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27 my 20th my 27th book is at the

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publishers

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it'll be out in february in february and

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that's the uh

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and that one's called the 75 years of

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the lockheed skunk works

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awesome awesome that's going to be a

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great one this one i'm holding is the

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lockheed sr71 blackbird

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the illustrated history of america's

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legendary march

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mach 3 mach 3 spy plane by jim goodall

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that's awesome and jim also brought us

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this pretty sweet patch that he designed

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it's the uh the groom dry lake dreamland

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area 51 patch

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uh that's a that's kind of an

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interesting story

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uh you wanna you wanna go into how this

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became a funny thing well i mean

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we get we did the article in popular

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science march 64.

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not 64. 94 excuse me

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and it's it was the best selling and the

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most read

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article uh issue ever we figured six

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but prior to that there's a group of us

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called the interceptors

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yeah i've been going out in the desert

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near area 51 since the late 80s

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i was the first civilian to photograph

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the f-117 at the fence line at tonal pot

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john lehrer and i were on the top of

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white sides mountain when we got buzzed

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by a pave hawk

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and then uh i'm also one of the reasons

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myself and

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a gentleman named glenn campbell was not

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the singer but

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uh computer guy he's a different glenn

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campbell right

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right um that he you know

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he we are the reason why freedom ridge

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during the uh the clinton administration

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so i've been going out in the desert

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smoothing on snooping on our government

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it's my tax money

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right i want to know where it's going

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what is being spent on

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and my man my feeling has always been if

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i ask my government

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a question it's we the people

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yeah you should get an answer the people

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i understand that right but don't feed

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a line of garbage that wasn't because

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national security no

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you don't want it you don't want it to

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be made public because you may be

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embarrassed because you spent

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x number of billions billions of dollars

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for something that didn't work

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right yeah you kept hiding the fact and

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altering the paperwork

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be a reason to definitely want to cover

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some stuff up for sure

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i mean i've i've gone around i've gone

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round and round i went around around

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uh during i was activated

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for desert shield and desert storm i was

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had a top secret clearance which i had

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active a 10-year break and in 21 years

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the wing commander

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and when i worked for the adjutant

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general i had to have his clearance

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because i had to have access to what he

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right or the organization

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so i had a real real high clearance

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that's cool yeah

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and i get there i'm going to get my my

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permanent pentagon

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pass and the red flag on my on my

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on my clearance i'm under investigation

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i took up to garbo and and the lady in

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charge of garbo i said

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what happened i said so i don't know i

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said you know you've been under

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investigation for a while

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you're gonna tighten it real tight boom

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here i have a flag of my clearance which

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means i have to go through the i have to

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go through metal detector and other

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protocols you don't have to do it if you

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yeah an official badge and it just

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irritated the hell out of me

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so remind me so and for people that

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there's nothing i can't say yeah uh

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my 27th book is the publisher and it's

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adjutant general and also the chief of

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super guy i get i get emails from him

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all the time i get emails from all

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the minnesota guard it's cool

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and i loved it so i always had access to

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you know to everything that they had

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eric von d donegan whatever it is yeah

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spirits of the gods

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carrots of the gods and i read i read

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all and he had three volumes and three

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verses i read all three and then i just

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yeah so um i've i've always had an

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am the type of guy who's i'm always

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and and i've and i've i've been out the

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i'm thinking they're okay if you can

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i do know that people were in my head

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and be because of i don't take no for an

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different places yeah i kind of

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you're all right i uh when i when i

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my past with my i couldn't get my

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permanent pass i went to

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i won't say her name i don't she's

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probably not alive and it's been so long

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since desert shield

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and i uh so i called up uh pete

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ames pete was the deputy director for

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program security for special projects

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anything spooky he would know oh

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and i called him up i didn't know where

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he was i said pete this is jim goodall

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oh jim how's it going i said you're

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screwing with my clearance oh no i would

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never do that

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i said no one else in garbo did it

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it could only come from you yeah they

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i said yes i said well i'm up at guard

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i am i need to sit down with you we need

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and he said okay i'll meet you at

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uh 15 15. uh

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in my office 5d 156. now they've changed

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all the numbers in the pentagon but this

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is yeah go down this long hallways and

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the d-ring

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there's nothing here but one door in the

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middle this long long hallway

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is 5d 156 and i press just the buzzer

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you know the default door opens i go in

281
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and i i'm in uniform i'm a tech sergeant

282
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at the time yeah

283
00:10:47,430 --> 00:10:44,720
and i said uh i'm jim goodall i'm here

284
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to see pete ames and

285
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the uh i think i think it was a it was a

286
00:10:54,949 --> 00:10:52,320
young tech sergeant female and she about

287
00:10:56,310 --> 00:10:54,959
fell off the floor and all of a sudden i

288
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had i got it i got there

289
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right at one o'clock so i had 15 minutes

290
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to wait

291
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i had a parade of people coming through

292
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and said hey

293
00:11:07,030 --> 00:11:05,440
you jim goodall god also you want to see

294
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what it looks like

295
00:11:12,829 --> 00:11:10,800
it was like obviously so finally pete

296
00:11:13,990 --> 00:11:12,839
calls me and pete was kind of a short

297
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guy

298
00:11:21,269 --> 00:11:18,959
and i not i'm not intimidated um

299
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i was i was supposed to die in 1986 and

300
00:11:24,870 --> 00:11:22,640
i didn't yeah i

301
00:11:26,069 --> 00:11:24,880
don't give a i don't give a garbage

302
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about a lot of things

303
00:11:29,750 --> 00:11:28,000
yeah and you're not going to intimidate

304
00:11:31,030 --> 00:11:29,760
me and he's telling me he said i don't

305
00:11:32,150 --> 00:11:31,040
like the questions you're asking and i

306
00:11:34,630 --> 00:11:32,160
said pete

307
00:11:36,870 --> 00:11:34,640
i'm an american taxpayer and i can ask

308
00:11:39,110 --> 00:11:36,880
anything of my government

309
00:11:40,230 --> 00:11:39,120
and if it's not classified i demand the

310
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truth and i demand an

311
00:11:44,389 --> 00:11:43,040
answer yeah so these are my airplanes i

312
00:11:47,990 --> 00:11:44,399
said pete you don't know

313
00:11:50,470 --> 00:11:48,000
[\h__\h] i said these are

314
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these are owned by the american taxpayer

315
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you're the custodian

316
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yep and if it's it is your job to

317
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maintain

318
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their airworthiness and more fighting

319
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capability and if it's a classified

320
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program

321
00:12:05,030 --> 00:12:02,880
to maintain the classification it's not

322
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your job to feed me a lot of crap when i

323
00:12:09,670 --> 00:12:07,600
ask a legitimate question

324
00:12:11,190 --> 00:12:09,680
i said i said because he was holding my

325
00:12:14,069 --> 00:12:11,200
book my beat my

326
00:12:15,750 --> 00:12:14,079
f1 i forgot to mention my f-117 book had

327
00:12:18,710 --> 00:12:15,760
just come out that was my first book

328
00:12:19,509 --> 00:12:18,720
yeah and that's the boomerang crazy what

329
00:12:22,389 --> 00:12:19,519
the window looks like

330
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it looks like an arrowhead the yeah okay

331
00:12:25,110 --> 00:12:23,600
there's the fighter it was the one that

332
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dropped the bombs in baghdad during

333
00:12:27,750 --> 00:12:26,000
desert storms

334
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yeah the black they called the black jet

335
00:12:32,790 --> 00:12:29,200
okay and

336
00:12:34,230 --> 00:12:32,800
um that book had come out i had sent

337
00:12:37,269 --> 00:12:34,240
ben rich who was the president of

338
00:12:40,310 --> 00:12:37,279
lockheed skunk works at the time

339
00:12:43,030 --> 00:12:40,320
he he told me he said jim says it's

340
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still classified i can't comment i said

341
00:12:46,949 --> 00:12:43,839
okay

342
00:12:49,990 --> 00:12:46,959
i sent it to pete ames his office

343
00:12:51,190 --> 00:12:50,000
for clearance i didn't have to do it but

344
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as a member of the guard

345
00:12:54,230 --> 00:12:52,880
and someone with a top secret clearance

346
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i felt i had to

347
00:12:57,269 --> 00:12:56,800
and i sent it to dod well no we did

348
00:12:58,870 --> 00:12:57,279
anything

349
00:13:00,790 --> 00:12:58,880
this is six weeks before i sent it to my

350
00:13:02,310 --> 00:13:00,800
publisher yeah

351
00:13:03,910 --> 00:13:02,320
so peter's giving me all this crap he

352
00:13:05,269 --> 00:13:03,920
says in your book and he's holding

353
00:13:07,430 --> 00:13:05,279
he's you know he's talking about my book

354
00:13:08,710 --> 00:13:07,440
and he's you know he's just says in your

355
00:13:11,190 --> 00:13:08,720
book says he had stuff that was

356
00:13:13,190 --> 00:13:11,200
classified i said pete

357
00:13:14,629 --> 00:13:13,200
said you know you know why i was

358
00:13:17,030 --> 00:13:14,639
successful in putting this bush together

359
00:13:20,870 --> 00:13:17,040
as fast as i did in the circles i did

360
00:13:23,430 --> 00:13:20,880
in 1968 when i asked for

361
00:13:25,990 --> 00:13:23,440
photographs of the blackbird that were

362
00:13:27,829 --> 00:13:26,000
unclassified then

363
00:13:29,910 --> 00:13:27,839
and they were never classified to begin

364
00:13:32,790 --> 00:13:29,920
with i wanted external views

365
00:13:34,389 --> 00:13:32,800
of a couple different blackbirds and

366
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your official policy was not to

367
00:13:39,910 --> 00:13:35,519
cooperate

368
00:13:40,389 --> 00:13:39,920
started digging oh oh man the more i dug

369
00:13:53,189 --> 00:13:40,399
the

370
00:13:55,189 --> 00:13:53,199
lockheed blackbirds

371
00:13:58,310 --> 00:13:55,199
so okay i have a question so you're

372
00:14:00,230 --> 00:13:58,320
saying the the more you got kind of like

373
00:14:01,350 --> 00:14:00,240
told no you're not allowed to know this

374
00:14:04,629 --> 00:14:01,360
stuff the more you dug

375
00:14:06,150 --> 00:14:04,639
is this when this you started sneaking

376
00:14:07,829 --> 00:14:06,160
on to area 51

377
00:14:09,350 --> 00:14:07,839
no no no no sure is that totally

378
00:14:10,710 --> 00:14:09,360
different story

379
00:14:13,269 --> 00:14:10,720
i've been i've been to the fence line at

380
00:14:14,550 --> 00:14:13,279
tonal pod test range in area 51 about 80

381
00:14:16,790 --> 00:14:14,560
times

382
00:14:19,269 --> 00:14:16,800
over the last 30 years right i know

383
00:14:21,350 --> 00:14:19,279
where to go and when not to do i know

384
00:14:22,389 --> 00:14:21,360
i'm not intimidated by little red dots

385
00:14:26,710 --> 00:14:22,399
on my chest

386
00:14:31,350 --> 00:14:30,389
no i i just i just i say i'm not easily

387
00:14:33,590 --> 00:14:31,360
intimidated

388
00:14:34,870 --> 00:14:33,600
i had a brain tumor and they took it out

389
00:14:37,829 --> 00:14:34,880
on january 28

390
00:14:39,990 --> 00:14:37,839
1986 that's the day challenger blew up

391
00:14:40,389 --> 00:14:40,000
and i was under anesthesia for 11 hours

392
00:14:44,550 --> 00:14:40,399
and

393
00:14:47,430 --> 00:14:44,560
i wasn't supposed to survive wow

394
00:14:48,470 --> 00:14:47,440
and i'm here today and once you come to

395
00:14:51,910 --> 00:14:48,480
terms with

396
00:14:53,829 --> 00:14:51,920
dying it took me 36 hours from the time

397
00:14:56,790 --> 00:14:53,839
i had a brain tumor

398
00:14:57,350 --> 00:14:56,800
6 hours 50 50 chance of survival any

399
00:15:00,790 --> 00:14:57,360
hour

400
00:15:03,350 --> 00:15:00,800
goes it drops dramatically and

401
00:15:04,230 --> 00:15:03,360
points straight down and said and if you

402
00:15:06,710 --> 00:15:04,240
sub uh if

403
00:15:08,150 --> 00:15:06,720
if you survive surgery you have a 70

404
00:15:12,870 --> 00:15:08,160
chance of facial paralysis

405
00:15:16,150 --> 00:15:12,880
blindness and seizures yippee

406
00:15:17,430 --> 00:15:16,160
so it hit me 36 hours later and it was a

407
00:15:20,150 --> 00:15:17,440
puddle

408
00:15:21,829 --> 00:15:20,160
i was at my favorite pub dancing to my

409
00:15:23,509 --> 00:15:21,839
favorite band

410
00:15:26,150 --> 00:15:23,519
went dancing i went dancing almost every

411
00:15:26,710 --> 00:15:26,160
night from 8 30 to 9 15. yeah that was

412
00:15:29,350 --> 00:15:26,720
my r

413
00:15:30,310 --> 00:15:29,360
r time and the kids already to bed i

414
00:15:32,310 --> 00:15:30,320
went

415
00:15:34,069 --> 00:15:32,320
dancing and i come home that's didn't

416
00:15:36,230 --> 00:15:34,079
wasn't there to pick up anybody but

417
00:15:37,430 --> 00:15:36,240
the band has just gone on break at 9 15.

418
00:15:39,350 --> 00:15:37,440
i'm getting ready to go home and all of

419
00:15:42,550 --> 00:15:39,360
a sudden hits me

420
00:15:44,150 --> 00:15:42,560
i'm 40 years old i'm gonna die it took

421
00:15:49,350 --> 00:15:44,160
me three hours to drive

422
00:15:52,150 --> 00:15:49,360
four miles i was a puddle man i got home

423
00:15:52,949 --> 00:15:52,160
uh my wife who i'm still very close to

424
00:15:55,509 --> 00:15:52,959
today

425
00:15:56,870 --> 00:15:55,519
uh we've been just divorced 30 years we

426
00:16:00,470 --> 00:15:56,880
only married 20 but

427
00:16:00,949 --> 00:16:00,480
uh she was really really good and i was

428
00:16:04,230 --> 00:16:00,959
just

429
00:16:05,590 --> 00:16:04,240
like i'm not going to see my my son

430
00:16:07,110 --> 00:16:05,600
graduate from high school i'm not going

431
00:16:07,670 --> 00:16:07,120
to see my daughter grow up i had a

432
00:16:11,910 --> 00:16:07,680
little

433
00:16:14,310 --> 00:16:11,920
my son was ten my daughter was two

434
00:16:15,110 --> 00:16:14,320
and i was just it was that was terrible

435
00:16:16,389 --> 00:16:15,120
and then at

436
00:16:18,550 --> 00:16:16,399
three o'clock in the morning almost like

437
00:16:20,829 --> 00:16:18,560
the second hand went up it was like

438
00:16:23,430 --> 00:16:20,839
someone changed

439
00:16:25,110 --> 00:16:23,440
channels and i got a piece just come

440
00:16:28,150 --> 00:16:25,120
over me

441
00:16:29,509 --> 00:16:28,160
and i felt you know if this is the end i

442
00:16:32,470 --> 00:16:29,519
have no regrets

443
00:16:32,949 --> 00:16:32,480
none yeah yeah i've done a lot of stupid

444
00:16:35,189 --> 00:16:32,959
things

445
00:16:36,310 --> 00:16:35,199
and if i live i'll do a lot of stupid

446
00:16:37,910 --> 00:16:36,320
more

447
00:16:40,470 --> 00:16:37,920
and i did a lot of stupid things thank

448
00:16:43,030 --> 00:16:40,480
god before the internet

449
00:16:44,550 --> 00:16:43,040
you never you never stole a train though

450
00:16:45,749 --> 00:16:44,560
yeah i never did that i don't know what

451
00:16:49,910 --> 00:16:45,759
the statue of limitation

452
00:16:52,310 --> 00:16:49,920
is on that so that's an inside secret if

453
00:16:54,949 --> 00:16:52,320
anybody didn't know

454
00:16:56,629 --> 00:16:54,959
no i have i have a real positive outlook

455
00:16:59,430 --> 00:16:56,639
on life yeah and

456
00:17:01,350 --> 00:16:59,440
i don't have a lot of friends but i'm

457
00:17:03,350 --> 00:17:01,360
attracted to certain people and when i

458
00:17:05,189 --> 00:17:03,360
met you two guys in san francisco there

459
00:17:07,350 --> 00:17:05,199
was there was

460
00:17:09,029 --> 00:17:07,360
almost an electric energy yeah that sort

461
00:17:09,990 --> 00:17:09,039
of drew me towards to achieve because

462
00:17:11,110 --> 00:17:10,000
there's a lot of people there was a lot

463
00:17:12,069 --> 00:17:11,120
of people there and there's a lot of

464
00:17:14,630 --> 00:17:12,079
interesting people

465
00:17:15,829 --> 00:17:14,640
still the same man yeah joe was like

466
00:17:17,590 --> 00:17:15,839
dude that's

467
00:17:19,669 --> 00:17:17,600
jim goodall was like ah it sounds

468
00:17:22,710 --> 00:17:19,679
familiar but and then he had to explain

469
00:17:23,750 --> 00:17:22,720
and i mean i i knew of you i mean my own

470
00:17:26,390 --> 00:17:23,760
my only creepy

471
00:17:30,230 --> 00:17:26,400
really claim to fame besides a guy who

472
00:17:32,870 --> 00:17:30,240
knows an awful lot about area 51

473
00:17:34,470 --> 00:17:32,880
is i knew bob lazar before he went to

474
00:17:38,549 --> 00:17:34,480
work out at s4

475
00:17:40,789 --> 00:17:38,559
yeah and i that

476
00:17:41,590 --> 00:17:40,799
bob lazar and our and i are friends

477
00:17:44,150 --> 00:17:41,600
today

478
00:17:44,950 --> 00:17:44,160
yeah and you went to visit him after uh

479
00:17:47,110 --> 00:17:44,960
after

480
00:17:48,710 --> 00:17:47,120
uh san francisco right like wasn't it

481
00:17:50,789 --> 00:17:48,720
after the conference you went to

482
00:17:51,990 --> 00:17:50,799
well i was going i was going to but uh

483
00:17:52,549 --> 00:17:52,000
that's where the beginning of this

484
00:17:55,590 --> 00:17:52,559
covert

485
00:18:01,750 --> 00:17:55,600
oh okay yeah yes it's kung fu

486
00:18:04,870 --> 00:18:01,760
flu the kung flu yeah

487
00:18:07,750 --> 00:18:04,880
so so you knew you knew bob lazar

488
00:18:08,630 --> 00:18:07,760
before the story came out before all

489
00:18:11,669 --> 00:18:08,640
that i mean you knew

490
00:18:14,310 --> 00:18:11,679
i knew bob was different i knew bob

491
00:18:15,430 --> 00:18:14,320
bob lazar before he was hired to work

492
00:18:18,150 --> 00:18:15,440
out in the desert

493
00:18:18,870 --> 00:18:18,160
yeah he just he had just moved to las

494
00:18:21,990 --> 00:18:18,880
vegas from

495
00:18:26,390 --> 00:18:23,510
it was the day that i had photographed

496
00:18:27,990 --> 00:18:26,400
my first f-117 yeah still fighter at the

497
00:18:30,870 --> 00:18:28,000
fence line at tonopah

498
00:18:32,549 --> 00:18:30,880
it's john lehrer myself and i was

499
00:18:33,830 --> 00:18:32,559
shooting print film because i wanted i

500
00:18:35,830 --> 00:18:33,840
wanted to

501
00:18:37,110 --> 00:18:35,840
get the images right away i normally

502
00:18:39,909 --> 00:18:37,120
shot kodachrome

503
00:18:42,230 --> 00:18:39,919
and this was before digital cameras and

504
00:18:44,549 --> 00:18:42,240
the digital cameras they had you had a a

505
00:18:46,070 --> 00:18:44,559
pack about the size of a suitcase and a

506
00:18:48,870 --> 00:18:46,080
hill one megabyte

507
00:18:50,470 --> 00:18:48,880
yeah the big there's a big floppy disk

508
00:18:53,990 --> 00:18:50,480
we were talking about earlier

509
00:18:57,669 --> 00:18:54,000
and uh uh

510
00:18:59,750 --> 00:18:57,679
oh my god dragon it's very sorry today

511
00:19:00,950 --> 00:18:59,760
i'm on i'm going to the the tail end of

512
00:19:03,270 --> 00:19:00,960
a 4 000 mile

513
00:19:04,230 --> 00:19:03,280
road trip and we've been chatting all

514
00:19:07,270 --> 00:19:04,240
day yeah

515
00:19:11,430 --> 00:19:07,280
yeah yeah

516
00:19:14,310 --> 00:19:11,440
we've had it awesome so when i met bob

517
00:19:16,630 --> 00:19:14,320
i had i had been with john lear we i had

518
00:19:19,909 --> 00:19:16,640
just photographed the f-117 and seen the

519
00:19:22,070 --> 00:19:19,919
f-117 with a t-38 next to it

520
00:19:23,830 --> 00:19:22,080
it was like i was 12 years old or 11

521
00:19:24,549 --> 00:19:23,840
years old and seeing my first naked

522
00:19:27,750 --> 00:19:24,559
woman

523
00:19:29,750 --> 00:19:27,760
i mean my camera's shaking

524
00:19:31,110 --> 00:19:29,760
and out of 36 exposures i think there

525
00:19:32,710 --> 00:19:31,120
were only three that

526
00:19:35,190 --> 00:19:32,720
didn't have a little bit of blur to him

527
00:19:36,630 --> 00:19:35,200
oh man wow and this this plane had never

528
00:19:38,630 --> 00:19:36,640
been seen by the public or

529
00:19:40,070 --> 00:19:38,640
anyone oh so did you have an idea that

530
00:19:41,909 --> 00:19:40,080
there would be some kind of test flight

531
00:19:44,870 --> 00:19:41,919
of a secret top city no i

532
00:19:46,150 --> 00:19:44,880
knew i the only reason i knew the f-117

533
00:19:49,990 --> 00:19:46,160
was flying

534
00:19:52,310 --> 00:19:50,000
john lear were heading up u.s 75 u.s 95

535
00:19:53,990 --> 00:19:52,320
near scotty's junction it's sort of

536
00:19:57,590 --> 00:19:54,000
halfway between

537
00:20:00,150 --> 00:19:57,600
uh las vegas and uh

538
00:20:01,909 --> 00:20:00,160
i think bd or maybe goldfield it's

539
00:20:04,549 --> 00:20:01,919
almost a tone-upon

540
00:20:05,190 --> 00:20:04,559
but an f-117 flew over us at about 1500

541
00:20:07,190 --> 00:20:05,200
feet we

542
00:20:09,110 --> 00:20:07,200
drove off the road yeah that's pretty

543
00:20:11,430 --> 00:20:09,120
tight you see this thing from from the

544
00:20:13,270 --> 00:20:11,440
you know from the rear end

545
00:20:15,750 --> 00:20:13,280
so uh we're going to tone up we have

546
00:20:18,630 --> 00:20:15,760
lunch and then we drive down

547
00:20:19,990 --> 00:20:18,640
the road to ttr it's a big sign it's a

548
00:20:22,950 --> 00:20:20,000
b-43 nuclear

549
00:20:23,909 --> 00:20:22,960
bomb with a nike ajax booster on the end

550
00:20:26,950 --> 00:20:23,919
of it said

551
00:20:29,029 --> 00:20:26,960
sandia labs tone upon test rings that

552
00:20:31,430 --> 00:20:29,039
was the right place

553
00:20:32,070 --> 00:20:31,440
so we head down there we get we get down

554
00:20:35,510 --> 00:20:32,080
to the

555
00:20:37,669 --> 00:20:35,520
uh the main gate and where the uh

556
00:20:38,549 --> 00:20:37,679
passing id is but there's there's a dirt

557
00:20:41,590 --> 00:20:38,559
road going along

558
00:20:44,230 --> 00:20:41,600
the fence line so the fence lines in

559
00:20:45,590 --> 00:20:44,240
public lands so we drive two miles down

560
00:20:48,630 --> 00:20:45,600
this road

561
00:20:50,070 --> 00:20:48,640
i'm out there with my camera and i had a

562
00:20:52,390 --> 00:20:50,080
tummy at a

563
00:20:53,750 --> 00:20:52,400
a pentax i think it was it's before i

564
00:20:55,590 --> 00:20:53,760
got nikon before i

565
00:20:57,909 --> 00:20:55,600
needed glasses you know so i need

566
00:21:00,950 --> 00:20:57,919
something to autofocus

567
00:21:03,590 --> 00:21:00,960
and this this bird coming

568
00:21:05,430 --> 00:21:03,600
came in with t-38 right next to it and

569
00:21:06,789 --> 00:21:05,440
my heart was pounding

570
00:21:09,350 --> 00:21:06,799
it's like getting laid for the first

571
00:21:10,710 --> 00:21:09,360
time i didn't know what to do yeah

572
00:21:12,710 --> 00:21:10,720
you know i just knew i was going to hope

573
00:21:15,350 --> 00:21:12,720
on my camera i was so excited and i

574
00:21:18,470 --> 00:21:15,360
forgot to roll the thing up

575
00:21:20,710 --> 00:21:18,480
but so larry and i we head back to vegas

576
00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:20,720
now we're we're 150 miles away

577
00:21:26,149 --> 00:21:23,760
almost 200 miles away

578
00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:26,159
and we drive we drive uh through warm

579
00:21:30,070 --> 00:21:26,880
springs

580
00:21:32,230 --> 00:21:30,080
and then down 375 the the

581
00:21:33,750 --> 00:21:32,240
extraterrestrial highway yeah we always

582
00:21:34,070 --> 00:21:33,760
stop we always stopped a little lately

583
00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:34,080
and

584
00:21:37,270 --> 00:21:36,240
uh joe travis was still alive at the

585
00:21:39,669 --> 00:21:37,280
time

586
00:21:42,310 --> 00:21:39,679
and i've known pat forever uh i think

587
00:21:45,110 --> 00:21:42,320
connie was still a baby

588
00:21:46,630 --> 00:21:45,120
and uh we had something to eat by the

589
00:21:49,190 --> 00:21:46,640
time we got back to vegas

590
00:21:49,669 --> 00:21:49,200
the photo mats were all closed now those

591
00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:49,679
who are

592
00:21:53,590 --> 00:21:51,840
old enough who have parents that are old

593
00:21:56,230 --> 00:21:53,600
enough

594
00:21:57,510 --> 00:21:56,240
photomat is where the your baristas are

595
00:21:59,590 --> 00:21:57,520
today if you had

596
00:22:01,430 --> 00:21:59,600
print if you needed wanted your film

597
00:22:03,430 --> 00:22:01,440
developed

598
00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:03,440
you would you would go buy a photo mat

599
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:05,200
and you would drop it off there's it was

600
00:22:08,549 --> 00:22:06,000
always manned

601
00:22:09,190 --> 00:22:08,559
you see one person you pick up the phone

602
00:22:13,270 --> 00:22:09,200
the

603
00:22:14,789 --> 00:22:13,280
day

604
00:22:16,950 --> 00:22:14,799
as long as you get in by five o'clock

605
00:22:19,990 --> 00:22:16,960
the next day

606
00:22:23,350 --> 00:22:20,000
everybody will have their uh their

607
00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:23,360
envelo their film processed and printed

608
00:22:27,190 --> 00:22:25,520
so the photo mats are all closed and as

609
00:22:27,669 --> 00:22:27,200
we're heading back to lear's place he

610
00:22:33,990 --> 00:22:27,679
lived

611
00:22:35,990 --> 00:22:34,000
uh he said well all the places could be

612
00:22:37,350 --> 00:22:36,000
closed we got home about 9 15. so i got

613
00:22:40,390 --> 00:22:37,360
a friend coming over

614
00:22:41,669 --> 00:22:40,400
a new guy new to vegas just moved here

615
00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:41,679
from albuquerque

616
00:22:46,230 --> 00:22:43,840
i think you'll find him interesting he's

617
00:22:49,909 --> 00:22:46,240
a nuclear physicist

618
00:22:52,149 --> 00:22:49,919
so but 10 minutes later doorbell rings

619
00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:52,159
go up there this nice guy comes in into

620
00:23:00,070 --> 00:22:53,520
john's

621
00:23:02,549 --> 00:23:00,080
i think 20 by 30.

622
00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:02,559
and every every square inch of wall

623
00:23:06,950 --> 00:23:05,039
space was filled with photos signed by

624
00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:06,960
all sorts of famous people that's cool

625
00:23:11,669 --> 00:23:08,640
nice yeah and he held he

626
00:23:13,430 --> 00:23:11,679
still holds 15 fai

627
00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:13,440
world records for flying around the

628
00:23:19,590 --> 00:23:16,000
world on his 16th birthday

629
00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:19,600
in his dad's lear uh 23. really

630
00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:22,720
yeah that's interesting so that's cool

631
00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:26,000
so john lear introduced me to his new

632
00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:27,360
friend

633
00:23:30,789 --> 00:23:29,840
he said hi my name is bob lazar and said

634
00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:30,799
nice to meet you

635
00:23:34,310 --> 00:23:32,480
he said i told him about my dilemma

636
00:23:35,909 --> 00:23:34,320
having the print film

637
00:23:37,590 --> 00:23:35,919
not i need to develop the you know the

638
00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:37,600
next day and he said

639
00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:39,360
i live on the west side of town i have a

640
00:23:43,430 --> 00:23:42,000
c-41 processor at home

641
00:23:45,190 --> 00:23:43,440
it's right over i'll run in my house

642
00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:45,200
i'll i'll process the film you know

643
00:23:48,149 --> 00:23:46,400
print you know

644
00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:48,159
you know print it up see what you got i

645
00:23:52,710 --> 00:23:49,679
said sure so

646
00:23:54,789 --> 00:23:52,720
says it in his house yeah so we jump

647
00:23:56,710 --> 00:23:54,799
we jump in his car and we're not five

648
00:23:58,549 --> 00:23:56,720
minutes from lear's place

649
00:24:00,149 --> 00:23:58,559
now this house is ten thousand square

650
00:24:02,870 --> 00:24:00,159
feet he's since sold it

651
00:24:03,669 --> 00:24:02,880
but uh he used to live out in the middle

652
00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:03,679
of nowhere now

653
00:24:08,070 --> 00:24:06,240
he was all developed all around him but

654
00:24:11,190 --> 00:24:08,080
we're heading we're heading towards uh

655
00:24:12,789 --> 00:24:11,200
west charleston where uh bob lives he

656
00:24:14,630 --> 00:24:12,799
looks at me and he said you know yeah i

657
00:24:15,909 --> 00:24:14,640
feel sorry for the lear

658
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:15,919
i said what do you mean you feel sorry

659
00:24:18,630 --> 00:24:17,760
for lear i said he's from this world

660
00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:18,640
famous

661
00:24:22,630 --> 00:24:20,640
aviation family his dad brought a

662
00:24:23,990 --> 00:24:22,640
learjet to the world

663
00:24:26,070 --> 00:24:24,000
not counting every all the other

664
00:24:27,830 --> 00:24:26,080
avionics and stuff he developed

665
00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:27,840
and he says and as some of which

666
00:24:32,230 --> 00:24:29,760
believes in ufos

667
00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:32,240
how stupid is that says i'm a nuclear

668
00:24:35,669 --> 00:24:33,760
physicist

669
00:24:37,350 --> 00:24:35,679
if i can't prove it mathematically or

670
00:24:40,390 --> 00:24:37,360
put my hands on it

671
00:24:41,029 --> 00:24:40,400
it doesn't exist and you can't maybe i

672
00:24:44,710 --> 00:24:41,039
wouldn't believe

673
00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:44,720
a ufo as you put a gun to my head yeah

674
00:24:49,830 --> 00:24:47,120
so balazar is telling you this on the

675
00:24:50,390 --> 00:24:49,840
way on the way to his house to print the

676
00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:50,400
film

677
00:24:56,950 --> 00:24:53,520
yeah now when i went in there i

678
00:24:59,430 --> 00:24:56,960
i remember seeing a diploma i don't

679
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:59,440
it's supposedly from mit but i don't

680
00:25:02,310 --> 00:25:00,799
know you're going to someone's house for

681
00:25:03,909 --> 00:25:02,320
the first time i know you have stuff on

682
00:25:06,310 --> 00:25:03,919
the wall

683
00:25:07,029 --> 00:25:06,320
but 10 years later yeah do you remember

684
00:25:09,510 --> 00:25:07,039
what it is

685
00:25:10,630 --> 00:25:09,520
30 years later no i have a really good

686
00:25:14,710 --> 00:25:10,640
memory but no

687
00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:14,720
i don't he has a super computer

688
00:25:18,870 --> 00:25:17,360
um he had a i mean he had a anemone

689
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:18,880
enclosure

690
00:25:23,430 --> 00:25:21,760
uh you know filled with processors and

691
00:25:25,110 --> 00:25:23,440
the whole bit

692
00:25:26,789 --> 00:25:25,120
sweet that's what back in the day where

693
00:25:28,789 --> 00:25:26,799
like a computer like that filled a whole

694
00:25:29,909 --> 00:25:28,799
room right oh yeah yeah no this this was

695
00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:29,919
as big as a refrigerator

696
00:25:33,350 --> 00:25:32,960
oh okay that was that was his that was

697
00:25:37,350 --> 00:25:33,360
his

698
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:37,360
desktop wow and uh

699
00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:40,559
dang and

700
00:25:44,710 --> 00:25:43,039
he was you know he hadn't he hadn't got

701
00:25:46,149 --> 00:25:44,720
out in the desert yet

702
00:25:48,789 --> 00:25:46,159
but he's he said when he lived in

703
00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:48,799
albuquerque he had a jet car

704
00:25:54,549 --> 00:25:52,640
with a lamborghini uh body on it

705
00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:54,559
300 miles an hour and a quarter mile

706
00:25:58,870 --> 00:25:55,679
yeah and that's

707
00:26:01,590 --> 00:25:58,880
it's in his driveway in his carport yeah

708
00:26:02,390 --> 00:26:01,600
this is like a turbine engine jet the

709
00:26:05,669 --> 00:26:02,400
engine

710
00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:05,679
it was it was it was a uh always

711
00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:10,240
a 50s vintage uh jet i mean

712
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:12,240
you put it you put it uh you know

713
00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:14,000
today's uh

714
00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:16,720
engine out of the f you know f-22 or the

715
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:18,320
f-35

716
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:21,840
and near the uh the f-135 engine with 40

717
00:26:25,269 --> 00:26:23,760
000 pounds of thrust and then my guy

718
00:26:27,190 --> 00:26:25,279
you just one it's going to suck your

719
00:26:27,909 --> 00:26:27,200
skin office in front of it and if you

720
00:26:31,110 --> 00:26:27,919
had to

721
00:26:31,120 --> 00:26:36,230
so so you know he

722
00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:39,110
everything about lazar when i met him

723
00:26:45,110 --> 00:26:40,799
showed me because my dad's a genius

724
00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:45,120
yeah my dad had an iq but above 170 180.

725
00:26:50,830 --> 00:26:48,159
uh he felt he couldn't learn

726
00:26:52,149 --> 00:26:50,840
cantonese in two weeks so he dropped the

727
00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:52,159
course

728
00:26:55,590 --> 00:26:54,080
wow i mean to master it he could speak

729
00:26:58,549 --> 00:26:55,600
it he just couldn't master it

730
00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:58,559
and he spoke seven other languages and

731
00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:00,000
he has triple major at

732
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:03,360
caltech so um

733
00:27:09,669 --> 00:27:06,559
he's got credentials yeah yeah yeah

734
00:27:12,149 --> 00:27:09,679
and uh you know so i

735
00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:12,159
i know a genius when i'm around one and

736
00:27:18,149 --> 00:27:14,640
bob's truly a genius

737
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:18,159
and next thing i know a year later

738
00:27:21,669 --> 00:27:20,000
there's a silhouette of a guy named i

739
00:27:23,990 --> 00:27:21,679
think was jared talking to

740
00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:24,000
george knapp who i've been a friend with

741
00:27:27,430 --> 00:27:25,200
forever also

742
00:27:30,549 --> 00:27:27,440
yeah talking about reverse engineering

743
00:27:32,310 --> 00:27:30,559
alien spacecraft in a place called s4

744
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:32,320
did you recognize the silhouette in any

745
00:27:35,909 --> 00:27:34,480
way or no they had a mess but

746
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:35,919
he didn't i think the second or third

747
00:27:39,430 --> 00:27:37,679
time uh

748
00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:39,440
he and he said you know if something

749
00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:41,360
happens to me

750
00:27:46,710 --> 00:27:44,720
it says i did not commit suicide yeah

751
00:27:48,310 --> 00:27:46,720
i did not run off the road and break my

752
00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:48,320
neck or something along those lines

753
00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:50,080
yeah and he had the fbi follow him for

754
00:27:54,389 --> 00:27:52,000
about three years to make sure that

755
00:27:56,389 --> 00:27:54,399
nothing happened to him wow because if

756
00:27:59,590 --> 00:27:56,399
something happened to him

757
00:28:01,990 --> 00:27:59,600
then boom he's validated

758
00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:02,000
right right yeah yeah and the other

759
00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:02,880
thing uh

760
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:05,360
george knapp did a lot of research on on

761
00:28:08,389 --> 00:28:06,880
who bob is

762
00:28:11,350 --> 00:28:08,399
he went to albuquerque where he

763
00:28:14,470 --> 00:28:11,360
allegedly worked as sandia

764
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:14,480
and go he went to the public side of the

765
00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:16,000
sandia library

766
00:28:20,230 --> 00:28:18,320
and found a phone book the time frame

767
00:28:22,870 --> 00:28:20,240
that bob said he worked there

768
00:28:24,870 --> 00:28:22,880
and by golly guess what there's a robert

769
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:24,880
lazar

770
00:28:29,669 --> 00:28:27,600
uh phone of the phone number he gave the

771
00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:29,679
room number the guys he said that were

772
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:30,000
in the

773
00:28:34,389 --> 00:28:32,880
same lab their numbers and they

774
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:34,399
everything everything lined up then he

775
00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:35,360
went to

776
00:28:41,430 --> 00:28:38,720
the local paper and got a microfiche

777
00:28:43,190 --> 00:28:41,440
going through the times that he said bob

778
00:28:45,909 --> 00:28:43,200
said i've been written up

779
00:28:46,549 --> 00:28:45,919
the local paper and said says sandia

780
00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:46,559
professor

781
00:28:50,389 --> 00:28:48,960
learns to relax at 300 miles an hour on

782
00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:50,399
the weekend

783
00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:52,960
yeah so throw those big parties on the

784
00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:53,600
yeah

785
00:28:59,669 --> 00:28:58,559
one of the drag strips and he made you

786
00:29:03,750 --> 00:28:59,679
know he made the papers

787
00:29:05,510 --> 00:29:03,760
right so there's a picture of bob of bob

788
00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:05,520
yeah saying that he was the you know

789
00:29:10,230 --> 00:29:06,960
there was a you know

790
00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:10,240
at sandia and he's a nuclear physicist

791
00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:13,760
the other thing is those those anybody

792
00:29:16,389 --> 00:29:14,720
who's

793
00:29:18,310 --> 00:29:16,399
been involved in a classified

794
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:18,320
environment

795
00:29:23,029 --> 00:29:19,840
if you know something class is

796
00:29:27,269 --> 00:29:23,039
classified and i ask you a question

797
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:27,279
you can just say no comment right

798
00:29:32,630 --> 00:29:30,640
if i ask you a question

799
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:32,640
or i ask you about someone and the

800
00:29:36,630 --> 00:29:34,080
person i'm asking you about

801
00:29:38,389 --> 00:29:36,640
is a fraud you're not going to say no

802
00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:38,399
comment you're going to say

803
00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:40,799
be full of [\h__\h] i've never you know i've

804
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:42,880
never met him i don't know who this this

805
00:29:47,669 --> 00:29:46,640
guy is but when when edward teller who

806
00:29:50,230 --> 00:29:47,679
hired directly

807
00:29:51,669 --> 00:29:50,240
hired bob lazar according to bob when he

808
00:29:54,870 --> 00:29:51,679
was asked

809
00:29:57,909 --> 00:29:54,880
will you comment on whether or not

810
00:30:00,950 --> 00:29:57,919
uh you hired bob lazar

811
00:30:02,070 --> 00:30:00,960
he said no comments if bob would have

812
00:30:04,230 --> 00:30:02,080
been a fraud

813
00:30:05,590 --> 00:30:04,240
he would have said i've never met the

814
00:30:08,230 --> 00:30:05,600
guy the guy's a fraud

815
00:30:09,669 --> 00:30:08,240
yeah he didn't and everybody they had

816
00:30:12,389 --> 00:30:09,679
subsequently asked

817
00:30:13,029 --> 00:30:12,399
about it had basically said the same

818
00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:13,039
thing

819
00:30:19,510 --> 00:30:17,600
is

820
00:30:23,269 --> 00:30:19,520
when i was in desert during desert

821
00:30:26,389 --> 00:30:23,279
shield i was at the pentagon

822
00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:26,399
i had bob lazar's uh

823
00:30:32,950 --> 00:30:30,720
w-2 from his last page in his last

824
00:30:34,149 --> 00:30:32,960
checks yeah there's payment from the

825
00:30:37,990 --> 00:30:34,159
navy

826
00:30:41,110 --> 00:30:38,000
at s4 i had blocked out his

827
00:30:43,750 --> 00:30:41,120
social security number but

828
00:30:45,190 --> 00:30:43,760
when i understand that the area codes

829
00:30:49,110 --> 00:30:45,200
the zip codes in in the

830
00:30:52,230 --> 00:30:49,120
in the dc area start at 202 0 1

831
00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:54,710
the late 30 early 40 block go to

832
00:30:58,549 --> 00:30:56,640
classified locations

833
00:31:00,549 --> 00:30:58,559
i didn't know that but i was told they

834
00:31:05,110 --> 00:31:00,559
do

835
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:05,120
so again i'm in uniform i'm an e6

836
00:31:10,310 --> 00:31:08,080
short haircut start shirt very sharp

837
00:31:12,389 --> 00:31:10,320
looking

838
00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:12,399
i look at it i look in the pentagon

839
00:31:17,590 --> 00:31:14,320
directory for

840
00:31:18,070 --> 00:31:17,600
a department or division the same as are

841
00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:18,080
similar

842
00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:22,320
to what's on bob's w-2

843
00:31:27,909 --> 00:31:25,760
and it had to do with naval not naval

844
00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:27,919
investigative services but along those

845
00:31:31,830 --> 00:31:29,840
lines

846
00:31:35,830 --> 00:31:31,840
so i had some time but i was waiting for

847
00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:38,950
and i i decided i was going to go

848
00:31:46,470 --> 00:31:42,240
go to this this office navy office

849
00:31:48,389 --> 00:31:46,480
now i'm an enlisted guy a navy admiral

850
00:31:51,190 --> 00:31:48,399
is not going to talk to an air force

851
00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:51,200
enlisted puke

852
00:31:57,110 --> 00:31:54,720
off the cuff so i go in

853
00:31:58,710 --> 00:31:57,120
and and i there's a there's a young

854
00:32:01,509 --> 00:31:58,720
lieutenant jg

855
00:32:02,470 --> 00:32:01,519
at the desk and it was a young man young

856
00:32:04,470 --> 00:32:02,480
man

857
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:04,480
and he said sir can you tell me where

858
00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:06,000
this location is and i

859
00:32:11,269 --> 00:32:09,360
showed him bob lazar's w-2 and he looked

860
00:32:13,750 --> 00:32:11,279
at it

861
00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:13,760
just a minute he walks into the admirals

862
00:32:17,990 --> 00:32:14,960
the two star's office

863
00:32:20,389 --> 00:32:18,000
he's in there maybe 40 seconds

864
00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:20,399
it comes out the admiral will see you

865
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:21,840
now

866
00:32:25,830 --> 00:32:24,000
and advil is going to see an air force

867
00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:25,840
enlisted

868
00:32:32,070 --> 00:32:29,279
on the fly you done did something

869
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:32,080
not not likely so i go in there and i

870
00:32:36,230 --> 00:32:33,600
give him a sharp salute

871
00:32:38,230 --> 00:32:36,240
and he said addy he didn't say at ease

872
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:38,240
he said parade rest

873
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:40,559
so i'm standing there parade rest and he

874
00:32:44,549 --> 00:32:41,440
said sergeant

875
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:44,559
he's holding he's holding lazar's w-2 i

876
00:32:47,350 --> 00:32:45,120
said

877
00:32:49,669 --> 00:32:47,360
i don't know where you got this thing

878
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:49,679
but i if i ever see your face cross the

879
00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:51,760
threshold of my office ever again

880
00:32:56,070 --> 00:32:53,519
you'll be the most sorriest son of a

881
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:56,080
[\h__\h] in nco united states military do

882
00:33:01,269 --> 00:32:58,559
we understand sergeant i said yes sir

883
00:33:02,070 --> 00:33:01,279
with that he puts lazarus w-2 in the

884
00:33:05,029 --> 00:33:02,080
shredder

885
00:33:05,990 --> 00:33:05,039
no she said and then he said you're

886
00:33:09,350 --> 00:33:06,000
dismissed

887
00:33:15,750 --> 00:33:12,950
that's damn what

888
00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:15,760
shreds it okay but that's but that's

889
00:33:19,990 --> 00:33:16,240
what it

890
00:33:23,029 --> 00:33:20,000
blanks

891
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:23,039
right yeah yeah yeah because that's

892
00:33:27,830 --> 00:33:25,440
something i've never heard before yeah

893
00:33:28,470 --> 00:33:27,840
that's a that's a cool little side story

894
00:33:31,029 --> 00:33:28,480
yeah like

895
00:33:33,669 --> 00:33:31,039
that's that's total confirmation that if

896
00:33:36,070 --> 00:33:33,679
if someone in the military wanted to

897
00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:36,080
not comment you know quote unquote not

898
00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:36,720
comment

899
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:39,120
on the existence or you know admit that

900
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:39,840
he worked

901
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:41,840
for some kind of compartmentalized

902
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:43,200
program whether it be

903
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:46,559
a contract or military condoned

904
00:33:52,149 --> 00:33:49,679
like it just it confirms it man like

905
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:52,159
just the fact that he he shredded the

906
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:52,799
document

907
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:55,679
and i mean he wouldn't one i would not

908
00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:57,840
have

909
00:34:04,149 --> 00:34:01,200
the lieutenant the j.g

910
00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:04,159
whatever it was would have said said

911
00:34:08,470 --> 00:34:05,600
never heard of it

912
00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:08,480
give it back to me if it was phony yeah

913
00:34:11,829 --> 00:34:09,520
but the fact that

914
00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:11,839
it had the right information on that

915
00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:12,560
minus

916
00:34:17,829 --> 00:34:15,760
know he said robert j

917
00:34:19,589 --> 00:34:17,839
was our okay i think i think he didn't

918
00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:19,599
have a social didn't have his i

919
00:34:22,710 --> 00:34:21,280
blocked out his social security number

920
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:22,720
in case

921
00:34:29,109 --> 00:34:26,879
did yeah i did i wanted to protect him

922
00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:29,119
yeah bob's a friend of mine i mean he's

923
00:34:33,030 --> 00:34:30,960
not a close close friend but but he is a

924
00:34:35,589 --> 00:34:33,040
very much a friend for sure i like him

925
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:35,599
uh i adore his wife

926
00:34:40,069 --> 00:34:39,599
uh he's he's he's been places that you

927
00:34:43,190 --> 00:34:40,079
and i

928
00:34:45,109 --> 00:34:43,200
can't even dream of he seems just like

929
00:34:47,909 --> 00:34:45,119
imagine he seems like a cool dude i

930
00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:47,919
don't know he is and he and he's kind

931
00:34:52,310 --> 00:34:49,599
yeah at least he's been kind to me

932
00:34:54,629 --> 00:34:52,320
my i have a picture uh i posted on

933
00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:54,639
facebook a couple different times

934
00:34:59,829 --> 00:34:57,680
of my son when he was just graduating

935
00:35:02,790 --> 00:34:59,839
from high school 317

936
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:02,800
where bob lazar's house uh off of west

937
00:35:06,870 --> 00:35:04,320
charleston in las vegas

938
00:35:09,270 --> 00:35:06,880
uh before he you know before he moved

939
00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:09,280
and there's bob sitting at his desk

940
00:35:14,630 --> 00:35:12,560
his super cute computer's behind him

941
00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:14,640
and there's my son with his hand on his

942
00:35:19,270 --> 00:35:16,000
shoulder just wanted to beat

943
00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:19,280
him and it was it was a week that my son

944
00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:19,920
james

945
00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:23,119
and i had spent a full

946
00:35:29,990 --> 00:35:26,640
week at the north fenceline area 51.

947
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:30,000
wow and

948
00:35:33,190 --> 00:35:31,440
they didn't know we were there we were

949
00:35:34,470 --> 00:35:33,200
camouflaged you know i saw i showed you

950
00:35:36,310 --> 00:35:34,480
some of the pictures earlier

951
00:35:38,710 --> 00:35:36,320
me out in the desert yeah he has like a

952
00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:38,720
like a honda and it's tarped and

953
00:35:41,829 --> 00:35:40,480
there's like this camo tarp over it you

954
00:35:43,910 --> 00:35:41,839
can't even see it dude

955
00:35:44,950 --> 00:35:43,920
yeah okay so i do remember that from

956
00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:44,960
your presentation

957
00:35:51,510 --> 00:35:48,240
uh at lorian's thing uh man

958
00:35:53,430 --> 00:35:51,520
yeah so for for uh listeners that uh

959
00:35:54,550 --> 00:35:53,440
don't know that side i have so many more

960
00:35:56,470 --> 00:35:54,560
questions but would you go

961
00:35:57,990 --> 00:35:56,480
a little bit and maybe tell like one or

962
00:36:01,030 --> 00:35:58,000
two stories about

963
00:36:02,069 --> 00:36:01,040
about how uh you're the title of your

964
00:36:04,870 --> 00:36:02,079
presentation was

965
00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:04,880
how to get into area 51 right or right

966
00:36:10,550 --> 00:36:06,000
yeah how to get to

967
00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:10,560
area 51 and not get shot yeah

968
00:36:17,349 --> 00:36:13,760
tell about it and

969
00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:17,359
i said probably the easiest way i mean i

970
00:36:21,190 --> 00:36:18,960
i don't think i think the statue of

971
00:36:23,270 --> 00:36:21,200
limitations uh and i would deny it

972
00:36:26,230 --> 00:36:23,280
anyway even if it's on tape

973
00:36:26,950 --> 00:36:26,240
uh yeah it was winter coming it was

974
00:36:30,550 --> 00:36:26,960
winter of

975
00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:30,560
i think it was winter seven of 93.

976
00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:33,280
i was at the north fence line allegedly

977
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:34,160
allegedly

978
00:36:41,430 --> 00:36:37,920
yes supposedly in my dreams

979
00:36:45,270 --> 00:36:41,440
dreamlands yeah

980
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:45,280
right and i uh

981
00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:49,200
my then wife had i had gotten a survival

982
00:36:53,670 --> 00:36:50,880
blanket the types that have

983
00:36:54,870 --> 00:36:53,680
that are aluminum foil on one side and

984
00:36:56,069 --> 00:36:54,880
day glow in the other

985
00:36:59,910 --> 00:36:56,079
but they're filled with insulate or

986
00:37:02,470 --> 00:36:59,920
whatever it is so two of them together

987
00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:02,480
had a uh put camouflage infrared

988
00:37:06,470 --> 00:37:04,560
suppressive deficient camouflage

989
00:37:08,790 --> 00:37:06,480
in a quilt pattern on it and then she

990
00:37:11,510 --> 00:37:08,800
made a poncho

991
00:37:12,310 --> 00:37:11,520
so i'm now a low observable with an add

992
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:12,320
a hood

993
00:37:19,030 --> 00:37:15,520
helicopter and i'm

994
00:37:20,390 --> 00:37:19,040
deaf but if i heard a helicopter all i

995
00:37:22,710 --> 00:37:20,400
do is crouch down and pull everything

996
00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:22,720
into and i had no infrared signature

997
00:37:26,710 --> 00:37:25,119
and you can't see that from 10 feet away

998
00:37:29,270 --> 00:37:26,720
let alone flying over

999
00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:29,280
right so because it's insulated it's not

1000
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:30,320
irradiating

1001
00:37:34,950 --> 00:37:33,440
heat outside no heat all inside whoa

1002
00:37:37,349 --> 00:37:34,960
you just turned into a boulder base it

1003
00:37:39,349 --> 00:37:37,359
was 30 degrees and i probably sweated a

1004
00:37:41,430 --> 00:37:39,359
gallon of sweat

1005
00:37:43,349 --> 00:37:41,440
i mean i was so nervous and the thing

1006
00:37:45,349 --> 00:37:43,359
about getting over to

1007
00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:45,359
where i could see the base i could see

1008
00:37:48,710 --> 00:37:46,640
where the airplane's gonna take off i

1009
00:37:52,069 --> 00:37:48,720
could see the tracking cameras

1010
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:52,079
but there was about six sets of hills

1011
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:54,400
in the foothills yeah then i i went over

1012
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:56,160
two of them in my heart i mean probably

1013
00:38:00,310 --> 00:37:56,880
could hear my

1014
00:38:03,270 --> 00:38:00,320
heart all the way in rachel and i said

1015
00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:03,280
no i i gotta turn around so i got all

1016
00:38:07,190 --> 00:38:04,320
the way out

1017
00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:07,200
uh i was never detected yeah but i was

1018
00:38:10,069 --> 00:38:07,760
nervous

1019
00:38:11,030 --> 00:38:10,079
so that's one way yeah so i'm sorry to

1020
00:38:12,390 --> 00:38:11,040
cut but like

1021
00:38:14,230 --> 00:38:12,400
so you say you could see where the

1022
00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:14,240
airplanes were taking off does that work

1023
00:38:17,349 --> 00:38:16,160
from the north from the north fence line

1024
00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:17,359
anything any

1025
00:38:21,109 --> 00:38:20,160
test aircraft that takes off from area

1026
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:21,119
51

1027
00:38:24,390 --> 00:38:23,760
will fly right over your head so that's

1028
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:24,400
how you knew

1029
00:38:30,790 --> 00:38:27,839
that the the uh the the wing sorry f

1030
00:38:31,990 --> 00:38:30,800
um no that don't the f-117 was that tone

1031
00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:32,000
of

1032
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:35,200
area 51. gotcha

1033
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:37,920
gotcha so i have a friend of mine and

1034
00:38:41,430 --> 00:38:38,400
he's

1035
00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:41,440
alive and well so he won't give his real

1036
00:38:45,430 --> 00:38:42,640
name but he goes by agent

1037
00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:45,440
x we all have nicknames hell yeah uh

1038
00:38:49,750 --> 00:38:46,960
john andrews was

1039
00:38:50,470 --> 00:38:49,760
was spy one stu brown from popular

1040
00:38:53,589 --> 00:38:50,480
sciences

1041
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:53,599
the minister of words uh well that's

1042
00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:54,480
cool

1043
00:38:57,990 --> 00:38:55,760
he's a journalist and he's a true

1044
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:58,000
journalist um

1045
00:39:02,630 --> 00:39:00,000
the late mike dornheimer from aviation

1046
00:39:04,710 --> 00:39:02,640
week we call him the isla toller

1047
00:39:06,790 --> 00:39:04,720
i mean he was 100 percent irish he had a

1048
00:39:07,990 --> 00:39:06,800
beard like yours and hair like yours i

1049
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:08,000
mean it was like that i mean he looked

1050
00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:09,359
like a mad

1051
00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:11,520
ayatollah so we all was coming and my

1052
00:39:17,349 --> 00:39:14,160
nickname was the great one oh

1053
00:39:19,670 --> 00:39:17,359
sweet yeah that's awesome yeah

1054
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:19,680
that just yeah just tickles me but great

1055
00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:27,030
so it really it it like i didn't expect

1056
00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:30,400
uh the images and the photos that you

1057
00:39:32,710 --> 00:39:32,160
that you've shown and i've seen of of

1058
00:39:35,910 --> 00:39:32,720
you

1059
00:39:37,349 --> 00:39:35,920
being inside of area 51 and and the

1060
00:39:39,109 --> 00:39:37,359
the trails that you took i didn't

1061
00:39:40,710 --> 00:39:39,119
realize that the landscape was so like

1062
00:39:42,069 --> 00:39:40,720
mountainous and rocky and that you could

1063
00:39:43,829 --> 00:39:42,079
drive a car

1064
00:39:46,069 --> 00:39:43,839
as far as you did i didn't know that

1065
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:46,079
that was you know possible and i

1066
00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:47,520
remember you had spoken about

1067
00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:49,760
these sensors in the way that you did

1068
00:39:55,270 --> 00:39:52,160
the sensors in a specific order

1069
00:39:56,550 --> 00:39:55,280
is that giving away they on and i

1070
00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:56,560
believe it's illegal

1071
00:40:00,310 --> 00:39:59,040
since oh since it's not since no no i

1072
00:40:03,829 --> 00:40:00,320
i've mentioned it

1073
00:40:06,390 --> 00:40:03,839
multiple times in anger

1074
00:40:08,309 --> 00:40:06,400
that they don't have a right uh they

1075
00:40:09,270 --> 00:40:08,319
it's it's illegal for them to do it

1076
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:09,280
because

1077
00:40:15,030 --> 00:40:11,760
it's not their property yeah they don't

1078
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:15,040
have jurisdiction outside the fence line

1079
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:17,760
uh that's left to local authorities and

1080
00:40:20,470 --> 00:40:18,720
you call them in

1081
00:40:22,309 --> 00:40:20,480
or you bring in the national guard if

1082
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:22,319
necessary but

1083
00:40:26,550 --> 00:40:24,720
you see the lincoln county uh nye county

1084
00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:26,560
or esmeralda county sheriff

1085
00:40:31,030 --> 00:40:29,280
will handle you know that stuff military

1086
00:40:33,190 --> 00:40:31,040
may hold you or the contractor

1087
00:40:35,190 --> 00:40:33,200
security people may hold you right but

1088
00:40:38,950 --> 00:40:35,200
other than that uh

1089
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:38,960
uh no but the sense the sensors are mass

1090
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:41,280
engines you drive over them

1091
00:40:44,550 --> 00:40:43,200
and the what you what you do when you go

1092
00:40:45,430 --> 00:40:44,560
out in the desert and i'm going to have

1093
00:40:48,790 --> 00:40:45,440
one i

1094
00:40:50,870 --> 00:40:48,800
i now have a radio that just plug in my

1095
00:40:53,109 --> 00:40:50,880
cigarette lighter that already has

1096
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:53,119
pre-loaded all the military channels

1097
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:56,960
used in the nevada test site cool

1098
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:59,280
so as long as it's not encoded i'll hear

1099
00:41:01,829 --> 00:41:00,480
it yeah

1100
00:41:03,750 --> 00:41:01,839
and there's a battery pack that goes

1101
00:41:05,190 --> 00:41:03,760
with it last it'll last three hours

1102
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:05,200
without being plugged you know plugged

1103
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:06,000
into the car

1104
00:41:12,230 --> 00:41:09,599
yeah so uh but a frequency counter is

1105
00:41:13,349 --> 00:41:12,240
some it's a mass sensors you get a large

1106
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:13,359
motor

1107
00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:15,680
truck or whatever you go over sensor it

1108
00:41:24,470 --> 00:41:17,920
sends

1109
00:41:27,190 --> 00:41:24,480
101 just went off

1110
00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:27,200
ah now one zero two just went off which

1111
00:41:31,829 --> 00:41:30,240
means someone's driving up the road

1112
00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:31,839
so what you do you have a frequency

1113
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:34,480
counter you'll get a beep so you

1114
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:37,680
have a you have a rock with some uh day

1115
00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:38,160
glow

1116
00:41:41,990 --> 00:41:40,800
ribbon on it you drop it go over and hit

1117
00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:42,000
the next beep

1118
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:45,280
you drop it then you go over you'll find

1119
00:41:48,309 --> 00:41:46,800
where the transmitter is and it's

1120
00:41:48,630 --> 00:41:48,319
battery powered and it's a little screw

1121
00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:48,640
in

1122
00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:50,800
and you just there's a small little

1123
00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:52,880
antenna about so

1124
00:41:59,190 --> 00:41:56,000
uh and it's a it's a canon plug screw

1125
00:42:02,550 --> 00:41:59,200
unplug that you take that you take the

1126
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:02,560
antenna off instead of

1127
00:42:07,349 --> 00:42:05,760
you you you back up

1128
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:07,359
you find it you clean it you know where

1129
00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:09,119
you know where it is at so you wait

1130
00:42:12,390 --> 00:42:10,240
about 20 minutes

1131
00:42:13,589 --> 00:42:12,400
and then you drive down you just back

1132
00:42:16,069 --> 00:42:13,599
down right so now

1133
00:42:17,670 --> 00:42:16,079
102 went off on 101 went off oh now

1134
00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:17,680
whoever was going up the road

1135
00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:20,160
has turned around and left right so now

1136
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:20,720
you go

1137
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:23,280
and take the antennas off set them aside

1138
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:24,720
now you're going off the road you can

1139
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:26,000
drive all the way up

1140
00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:28,800
with the right vehicle you can drive all

1141
00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:30,400
the way up to the top

1142
00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:33,520
of the groom range you can't see

1143
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:35,440
you can't see the base properly you can

1144
00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:36,720
see the

1145
00:42:42,790 --> 00:42:40,160
the edges of the of the lake bed

1146
00:42:43,990 --> 00:42:42,800
right and the s and the tall king radar

1147
00:42:46,470 --> 00:42:44,000
they had theirs i think it's been

1148
00:42:47,589 --> 00:42:46,480
since been been removed this is actually

1149
00:42:50,710 --> 00:42:47,599
i've been going up there for

1150
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:50,720
30 years that's a long time

1151
00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:52,560
it's a long time man yeah i'm getting

1152
00:42:57,990 --> 00:42:54,480
old

1153
00:42:59,910 --> 00:42:58,000
but uh we're getting back to um

1154
00:43:01,109 --> 00:42:59,920
how to get into area 50 oh yeah i mean i

1155
00:43:02,470 --> 00:43:01,119
just love those two stories

1156
00:43:04,309 --> 00:43:02,480
and they they have sensors that will

1157
00:43:07,349 --> 00:43:04,319
determine they know whether it's

1158
00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:07,359
whether it's a man walking

1159
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:11,599
uh or a dog or a coyote or wild horses

1160
00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:13,680
right and you had mentioned the about

1161
00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:15,040
the horses right that was like

1162
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:17,440
so if someone someone really wanted to

1163
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:18,640
get in there

1164
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:20,640
boy you're risking your butt by doing it

1165
00:43:23,829 --> 00:43:22,000
they're not going to shoot you

1166
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:23,839
but you're going to wish you're going to

1167
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:25,200
wish these

1168
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:26,640
they gave you at least one bullet and

1169
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:29,040
say okay go in the other room

1170
00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:31,440
we know you the decisions you made yes

1171
00:43:33,910 --> 00:43:32,400
because they're going to make life

1172
00:43:37,109 --> 00:43:33,920
miserable for you

1173
00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:37,119
and expensive oh they won't kill you

1174
00:43:42,790 --> 00:43:40,400
sounds expensive they won't shoot you

1175
00:43:43,829 --> 00:43:42,800
but like uh larry and i were told one

1176
00:43:45,270 --> 00:43:43,839
time

1177
00:43:47,109 --> 00:43:45,280
if you decide to go down this road

1178
00:43:47,670 --> 00:43:47,119
you're going to be interviewed by some

1179
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:47,680
very

1180
00:43:51,109 --> 00:43:49,920
unfriendly types yeah but it's a

1181
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:51,119
different story

1182
00:43:59,270 --> 00:43:56,160
but uh so if you were on horseback

1183
00:44:00,790 --> 00:43:59,280
bareback uh

1184
00:44:02,550 --> 00:44:00,800
you'd have to have a horse that would

1185
00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:02,560
know to come back and get you

1186
00:44:06,829 --> 00:44:05,920
yeah you would start it you would start

1187
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:06,839
at sunro

1188
00:44:10,390 --> 00:44:09,359
sunset and you would meet you would you

1189
00:44:14,069 --> 00:44:10,400
would start

1190
00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:14,079
uh near the frantica lakes area

1191
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:15,520
you take a road way back there and

1192
00:44:20,829 --> 00:44:17,440
that's sort of the south end of

1193
00:44:22,150 --> 00:44:20,839
area 51 and you go back there and

1194
00:44:23,670 --> 00:44:22,160
horseback

1195
00:44:24,870 --> 00:44:23,680
so the the heats if they're looking at

1196
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:24,880
you through infrared oh they're

1197
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:26,160
listening for the sound

1198
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:29,040
oh okay that's what they know they know

1199
00:44:32,790 --> 00:44:30,960
the sound of a horse

1200
00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:32,800
walking through the desert i mean they

1201
00:44:36,390 --> 00:44:34,800
have it's like it's like a sonar

1202
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:36,400
technician in a submarine

1203
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:38,400
they have they have a library of of

1204
00:44:44,230 --> 00:44:40,880
sounds that they've been able to

1205
00:44:46,950 --> 00:44:44,240
certify that excuse me

1206
00:44:48,390 --> 00:44:46,960
that this is in fact a horse or this is

1207
00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:48,400
in fact a cow

1208
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:51,040
yeah oh so maybe the sounds like the

1209
00:44:53,349 --> 00:44:52,560
clicking sounds of the spurs or

1210
00:44:57,109 --> 00:44:53,359
something on that

1211
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:57,119
on even they may even have load said

1212
00:45:00,870 --> 00:44:58,560
cells out there like determine the

1213
00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:00,880
weight yeah

1214
00:45:06,950 --> 00:45:05,760
but if excuse me

1215
00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:06,960
all right i'm actually going to grab

1216
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:09,760
another beard if you grab me one to you

1217
00:45:16,829 --> 00:45:13,520
if we're you want to shop or oh no

1218
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:16,839
if you're to go on horseback when you're

1219
00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:18,160
full

1220
00:45:22,150 --> 00:45:20,240
two i'm not recommending it definitely

1221
00:45:23,829 --> 00:45:22,160
but if you did

1222
00:45:25,990 --> 00:45:23,839
the horse could take you almost anywhere

1223
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:26,000
you wanted to go yeah

1224
00:45:32,550 --> 00:45:29,280
you would have to have uh you would have

1225
00:45:35,589 --> 00:45:32,560
to have something that would

1226
00:45:39,430 --> 00:45:35,599
uh master your ir signature

1227
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:39,440
and that poncho

1228
00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:42,960
yeah would work and provisions you'd

1229
00:45:46,150 --> 00:45:44,400
have to have enough water

1230
00:45:47,829 --> 00:45:46,160
yeah i mean that's that's the most

1231
00:45:48,790 --> 00:45:47,839
critical thing food you can do without

1232
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:48,800
for a long time

1233
00:45:52,230 --> 00:45:51,520
water no i carry my mrv's right here

1234
00:45:59,750 --> 00:45:52,240
yeah

1235
00:46:01,670 --> 00:45:59,760
so that you know show that there's

1236
00:46:03,589 --> 00:46:01,680
there's so if someone walk in and if

1237
00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:03,599
they were trying to mimic the sound of a

1238
00:46:07,190 --> 00:46:04,640
horse or something like that

1239
00:46:08,309 --> 00:46:07,200
the sensors would be able to would know

1240
00:46:10,390 --> 00:46:08,319
that it was a man

1241
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:10,400
yeah dude so and i don't know if they

1242
00:46:13,430 --> 00:46:12,000
have load cells out there if something

1243
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:13,440
steps on and said well you know

1244
00:46:17,030 --> 00:46:14,640
last time a horse came through it

1245
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:17,040
weighed x number of uh kilos and this

1246
00:46:21,750 --> 00:46:18,000
one has oh

1247
00:46:22,230 --> 00:46:21,760
x number of kilos plus 10 or 15 or

1248
00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:22,240
whatever

1249
00:46:25,829 --> 00:46:25,440
yeah yeah so so so you've actually been

1250
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:25,839
on the

1251
00:46:29,990 --> 00:46:28,960
the the wrong side of of a a couple red

1252
00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:30,000
dots on your chest

1253
00:46:34,390 --> 00:46:32,800
right yes so was that just like were you

1254
00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:34,400
scared shitless i mean the first time it

1255
00:46:37,030 --> 00:46:35,280
happened or no

1256
00:46:39,349 --> 00:46:37,040
no because there's too much paperwork

1257
00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:39,359
involved shooting the civilian

1258
00:46:43,030 --> 00:46:41,440
i think it's the only reason that's the

1259
00:46:44,870 --> 00:46:43,040
only reason they didn't do it

1260
00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:44,880
i mean there are some people out in the

1261
00:46:49,030 --> 00:46:46,880
desert i know for a fact

1262
00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:49,040
wouldn't like to have me whacked yeah

1263
00:46:52,069 --> 00:46:50,960
yeah and this was primarily back in the

1264
00:46:53,589 --> 00:46:52,079
90s when i was

1265
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:53,599
we're really opening up the kimono and

1266
00:46:59,430 --> 00:46:55,680
see what they were doing

1267
00:47:01,589 --> 00:46:59,440
so uh no i was 1996

1268
00:47:02,870 --> 00:47:01,599
it was june it was about 11 o'clock at

1269
00:47:05,430 --> 00:47:02,880
night

1270
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:05,440
uh john lehrer and i are at the fence

1271
00:47:09,109 --> 00:47:06,960
line at tonopod test range

1272
00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:09,119
now tonopah is where the f-117s were

1273
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:10,319
based i'm getting it now

1274
00:47:14,550 --> 00:47:12,400
got it and that desert during desert

1275
00:47:17,670 --> 00:47:14,560
storm they left tonopah

1276
00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:17,680
and when they returned they had they had

1277
00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:19,599
started closing down tone apart test

1278
00:47:23,430 --> 00:47:21,599
range and the f-117

1279
00:47:27,270 --> 00:47:23,440
bed dan was now at holloman air force

1280
00:47:31,030 --> 00:47:27,280
base in in alamogordo new mexico

1281
00:47:32,230 --> 00:47:31,040
so this is six years after the f-117s

1282
00:47:36,470 --> 00:47:32,240
left

1283
00:47:38,150 --> 00:47:36,480
and i had talked to a gentleman who was

1284
00:47:39,990 --> 00:47:38,160
a communication contractor with the

1285
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:40,000
federal government and and he

1286
00:47:44,470 --> 00:47:42,480
had we were talking on one of my drill

1287
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:44,480
weekends when i was working on my a12

1288
00:47:47,829 --> 00:47:46,160
blackwood at the minnesota air guard

1289
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:47,839
museum

1290
00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:49,680
and he said yeah he was just at tone up

1291
00:47:53,109 --> 00:47:51,200
for six weeks they finished

1292
00:47:56,230 --> 00:47:53,119
installing and he was just signing off

1293
00:47:58,150 --> 00:47:56,240
on the most sophisticated fiber optics

1294
00:47:59,430 --> 00:47:58,160
communication systems in the department

1295
00:48:01,349 --> 00:47:59,440
of defense wow

1296
00:48:03,829 --> 00:48:01,359
yeah and also mentioned they had they

1297
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:03,839
had put a third perimeter around the

1298
00:48:10,150 --> 00:48:07,200
flight line they don't do that to a base

1299
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:10,160
that's in caretaker status

1300
00:48:13,750 --> 00:48:12,480
so john lee right there we have night

1301
00:48:16,150 --> 00:48:13,760
vision goggles

1302
00:48:17,349 --> 00:48:16,160
it's 11 o'clock at night we have our

1303
00:48:19,829 --> 00:48:17,359
lawn chairs

1304
00:48:21,349 --> 00:48:19,839
you always tape up your your pant legs

1305
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:21,359
just so critters can't crawl up your

1306
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:22,079
pant legs

1307
00:48:26,870 --> 00:48:25,359
yeah and we see three armored personnel

1308
00:48:29,190 --> 00:48:26,880
carriers with the lights off

1309
00:48:30,390 --> 00:48:29,200
one coming from the south from the west

1310
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:30,400
from the east

1311
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:33,119
lights out i stand up and yell real loud

1312
00:48:37,270 --> 00:48:34,079
hey

1313
00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:37,280
we're good guys we're taxpayers

1314
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:40,480
and love that all of a sudden

1315
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:43,760
we had flood lights on us and little red

1316
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:50,630
and where has it moved his feet's still

1317
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:51,119
up on the

1318
00:48:56,790 --> 00:48:54,240
on the uh on the fence yeah on the four

1319
00:48:58,549 --> 00:48:56,800
four strands of bob wire right so the

1320
00:49:03,109 --> 00:48:58,559
truck there's a truck coming down

1321
00:49:04,950 --> 00:49:03,119
the blm side of the fence

1322
00:49:06,309 --> 00:49:04,960
and some guy got parked behind john's

1323
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:06,319
tracks and some and the lights are still

1324
00:49:09,270 --> 00:49:07,680
flood lights are still on us the little

1325
00:49:10,150 --> 00:49:09,280
red dots are still on us and then this

1326
00:49:12,870 --> 00:49:10,160
guy comes

1327
00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:12,880
around he has a hand on his nine

1328
00:49:17,670 --> 00:49:14,160
millimeter he's in

1329
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:17,680
uh desert bdus uh

1330
00:49:21,510 --> 00:49:19,440
he said you're in a restricted area i'm

1331
00:49:23,750 --> 00:49:21,520
ordering you to leave and i said

1332
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:23,760
sir we're in public lands and we don't

1333
00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:25,680
have to go anywhere

1334
00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:27,440
it says you're in a restricted area and

1335
00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:29,280
i'm ordering you to leave and i pulled

1336
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:29,520
out

1337
00:49:33,589 --> 00:49:32,160
i had an aeronautical map issued by the

1338
00:49:35,829 --> 00:49:33,599
federal government

1339
00:49:36,790 --> 00:49:35,839
in my hand pulled it out to my

1340
00:49:38,549 --> 00:49:36,800
flashlight on my

1341
00:49:40,150 --> 00:49:38,559
on my uh my little flashlight with me

1342
00:49:42,870 --> 00:49:40,160
it's before cell phones that were really

1343
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:42,880
something that's how old i am

1344
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:47,750
and i said according to the official

1345
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:49,359
government map

1346
00:49:52,630 --> 00:49:51,839
that list lists the longitude and

1347
00:49:55,670 --> 00:49:52,640
latitude

1348
00:49:59,430 --> 00:49:55,680
to the second of

1349
00:50:01,829 --> 00:49:59,440
the restricted area line at here at

1350
00:50:02,549 --> 00:50:01,839
at tonopod test range if you look at the

1351
00:50:04,870 --> 00:50:02,559
base of the

1352
00:50:07,349 --> 00:50:04,880
fence post where my buddy has his feet

1353
00:50:09,750 --> 00:50:07,359
you'll see a usgs medallion

1354
00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:09,760
that gives the longitude and latitude to

1355
00:50:13,829 --> 00:50:10,960
the second

1356
00:50:15,190 --> 00:50:13,839
i'm in public lands i'm on blm property

1357
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:15,200
and i can be here for

1358
00:50:19,510 --> 00:50:17,920
15 consecutive days without your

1359
00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:19,520
permission or anybody else

1360
00:50:23,670 --> 00:50:22,240
for that matter hell and he's human he's

1361
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:23,680
just huffing and puffing

1362
00:50:30,309 --> 00:50:27,520
i want to see some id i said who are you

1363
00:50:32,470 --> 00:50:30,319
yeah so i'm captain so-and-so from asi

1364
00:50:34,630 --> 00:50:32,480
advanced security inc and i said

1365
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:34,640
you're rent-a-cop you don't have

1366
00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:36,240
jurisdiction this side of the fence and

1367
00:50:41,990 --> 00:50:38,640
he's just getting really really pissed

1368
00:50:44,470 --> 00:50:42,000
he said i've i've been deputized by the

1369
00:50:46,549 --> 00:50:44,480
uh by uh the state of nevada uh

1370
00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:46,559
esmeralda lincoln and nye county to

1371
00:50:48,790 --> 00:50:47,200
uphold

1372
00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:48,800
the laws of the state of nevada and the

1373
00:50:57,109 --> 00:50:50,960
federal government i said well good for

1374
00:51:00,950 --> 00:50:59,910
i wanted to jerk this guy's chain i love

1375
00:51:03,990 --> 00:51:00,960
doing that

1376
00:51:05,990 --> 00:51:04,000
and it's called stepping on your dick

1377
00:51:08,549 --> 00:51:06,000
it never really works out really well on

1378
00:51:11,589 --> 00:51:08,559
this this and so

1379
00:51:13,030 --> 00:51:11,599
he hands me his asi his vance advanced

1380
00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:13,040
security

1381
00:51:18,630 --> 00:51:16,800
said

1382
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:18,640
this is not a valid form of id and i

1383
00:51:21,349 --> 00:51:20,640
handed it back to him i said i want to

1384
00:51:22,710 --> 00:51:21,359
see something

1385
00:51:25,589 --> 00:51:22,720
issued by the state or federal

1386
00:51:26,870 --> 00:51:25,599
government yeah his jaws are tightened

1387
00:51:28,950 --> 00:51:26,880
i mean you could you could just see you

1388
00:51:29,430 --> 00:51:28,960
could just see the the veins popping in

1389
00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:29,440
his head

1390
00:51:34,390 --> 00:51:31,920
because he knows you're right yeah oh

1391
00:51:38,390 --> 00:51:37,030
and so he pulls out his his nevada

1392
00:51:39,589 --> 00:51:38,400
driver's license and i don't have my

1393
00:51:41,030 --> 00:51:39,599
reading glasses on

1394
00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:41,040
okay so i gave it back to him and i gave

1395
00:51:43,589 --> 00:51:42,480
him my medici at the time i lived in

1396
00:51:46,950 --> 00:51:43,599
minnesota

1397
00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:46,960
later

1398
00:51:49,990 --> 00:51:49,760
reaches over gives his he hands it to a

1399
00:51:52,230 --> 00:51:50,000
guy

1400
00:51:53,270 --> 00:51:52,240
on the south side of the fence he walks

1401
00:51:55,829 --> 00:51:53,280
over to the super

1402
00:51:56,950 --> 00:51:55,839
you know the supervisor supervisor has

1403
00:51:58,950 --> 00:51:56,960
the thing turns on the

1404
00:52:00,390 --> 00:51:58,960
the dome light and i hear him say oh

1405
00:52:03,990 --> 00:52:00,400
[\h__\h] it's good all in

1406
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:04,000
layer lights went off

1407
00:52:07,190 --> 00:52:05,760
the red dots went away but we knew they

1408
00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:07,200
weren't going to do anything

1409
00:52:11,190 --> 00:52:09,440
yes that's so awesome yeah the moral of

1410
00:52:14,309 --> 00:52:11,200
that story is uh

1411
00:52:16,950 --> 00:52:14,319
know the law boys and girls and

1412
00:52:18,390 --> 00:52:16,960
don't break it i mean you're right

1413
00:52:20,390 --> 00:52:18,400
you're you're paying

1414
00:52:22,230 --> 00:52:20,400
they're not going to shoot you they're

1415
00:52:24,309 --> 00:52:22,240
not going to torture you

1416
00:52:26,230 --> 00:52:24,319
but they could they can make your life

1417
00:52:27,990 --> 00:52:26,240
especially if you have a rent a car

1418
00:52:30,309 --> 00:52:28,000
a living hell they're going to tow it to

1419
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:30,319
pinoche which is 100 miles away

1420
00:52:33,430 --> 00:52:32,400
so you're going to have to pay the tow

1421
00:52:36,230 --> 00:52:33,440
company

1422
00:52:37,109 --> 00:52:36,240
charge from wherever you were picked up

1423
00:52:38,549 --> 00:52:37,119
at

1424
00:52:40,390 --> 00:52:38,559
to pronounce and you're going to pay for

1425
00:52:43,829 --> 00:52:40,400
him to come back to

1426
00:52:45,990 --> 00:52:43,839
alamo or or ash springs um

1427
00:52:47,349 --> 00:52:46,000
then you have to appear in court now

1428
00:52:50,549 --> 00:52:47,359
this is a rent-a-car

1429
00:52:52,790 --> 00:52:50,559
right so you have to somehow get to

1430
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:52,800
pinoche

1431
00:52:56,470 --> 00:52:55,200
you're you're it you're in uh ash

1432
00:53:00,069 --> 00:52:56,480
springs

1433
00:53:02,549 --> 00:53:00,079
nevada which is a pretty little town

1434
00:53:03,829 --> 00:53:02,559
but there's no ubers there right yeah

1435
00:53:05,510 --> 00:53:03,839
and you have to get you have to get a

1436
00:53:07,750 --> 00:53:05,520
lot back to las vegas

1437
00:53:09,510 --> 00:53:07,760
explain to hertz or avis or whoever it

1438
00:53:10,470 --> 00:53:09,520
is that your car's been impounded in

1439
00:53:13,349 --> 00:53:10,480
pinoche

1440
00:53:15,910 --> 00:53:13,359
which is now 200 miles away because

1441
00:53:17,829 --> 00:53:15,920
you're 100 miles from las vegas

1442
00:53:19,430 --> 00:53:17,839
and they'll probably slap a big fine on

1443
00:53:21,109 --> 00:53:19,440
top of that too right oh yeah it's just

1444
00:53:24,309 --> 00:53:21,119
i mean it's gonna it's gonna cost you

1445
00:53:27,589 --> 00:53:24,319
thousands of dollars compounds so so

1446
00:53:31,270 --> 00:53:27,599
stupidity at times is painful yeah

1447
00:53:33,190 --> 00:53:31,280
and and uh

1448
00:53:35,030 --> 00:53:33,200
yeah i've known guys to have i've known

1449
00:53:38,069 --> 00:53:35,040
of guys to have it done

1450
00:53:38,470 --> 00:53:38,079
man that sucks yeah that sucks yeah but

1451
00:53:40,390 --> 00:53:38,480
it's

1452
00:53:42,150 --> 00:53:40,400
i'd love that's one wednesday night uh

1453
00:53:45,430 --> 00:53:42,160
when i retired i moved to

1454
00:53:47,829 --> 00:53:45,440
uh to tucson uh i love the desert

1455
00:53:49,430 --> 00:53:47,839
i love the beauty of the desert me too

1456
00:53:51,589 --> 00:53:49,440
right now it's so friggin hotter

1457
00:53:53,109 --> 00:53:51,599
you know i told my wife i'll come back

1458
00:53:55,190 --> 00:53:53,119
when it cools down a bit well supposed

1459
00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:55,200
to be 110 all week long i said well i'll

1460
00:53:58,710 --> 00:53:57,520
see you when it cools down

1461
00:54:00,549 --> 00:53:58,720
well it's not getting any cooler in

1462
00:54:02,790 --> 00:54:00,559
texas i'll tell you that it's supposed

1463
00:54:05,270 --> 00:54:02,800
to be 97 in seattle tomorrow

1464
00:54:06,549 --> 00:54:05,280
oh my god 97. people don't have air

1465
00:54:09,190 --> 00:54:06,559
conditioning in seattle

1466
00:54:11,510 --> 00:54:09,200
gee it always goes down at night yeah

1467
00:54:13,829 --> 00:54:11,520
yeah but it's it's

1468
00:54:15,910 --> 00:54:13,839
i think i think it wasn't until the

1469
00:54:17,270 --> 00:54:15,920
1980s that seattle actually had 100

1470
00:54:19,349 --> 00:54:17,280
degrees for the first time

1471
00:54:21,109 --> 00:54:19,359
yeah there's only a couple cities that

1472
00:54:22,950 --> 00:54:21,119
have never hit 100 degrees

1473
00:54:24,630 --> 00:54:22,960
that kind of blew my mind when we were

1474
00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:24,640
in california

1475
00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:27,680
uh we were talking

1476
00:54:31,510 --> 00:54:30,640
uh to that one time like i was abducted

1477
00:54:34,870 --> 00:54:31,520
by aliens

1478
00:54:36,870 --> 00:54:34,880
yeah the uh from the brie and um

1479
00:54:38,549 --> 00:54:36,880
jamie jamie yes yeah bree and jamie and

1480
00:54:41,109 --> 00:54:38,559
they were like they were like yeah

1481
00:54:42,549 --> 00:54:41,119
well some of us don't have air condition

1482
00:54:44,069 --> 00:54:42,559
yeah i was like wait what

1483
00:54:45,910 --> 00:54:44,079
they were like yeah we don't we just

1484
00:54:47,430 --> 00:54:45,920
don't need it we don't use it i was like

1485
00:54:48,630 --> 00:54:47,440
you don't have an air conditioner nobody

1486
00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:48,640
does they're like no we don't

1487
00:54:51,990 --> 00:54:51,280
i was like that's so weird my house is

1488
00:54:55,910 --> 00:54:52,000
69

1489
00:54:56,549 --> 00:54:55,920
degrees every day there's no way i'm not

1490
00:54:58,630 --> 00:54:56,559
gonna have an

1491
00:55:00,390 --> 00:54:58,640
air conditioner are you [\h__\h] me no

1492
00:55:01,510 --> 00:55:00,400
yeah i don't think so i keep our house

1493
00:55:06,150 --> 00:55:01,520
at 78.

1494
00:55:09,109 --> 00:55:06,160
oh god it's too hot man yeah

1495
00:55:10,549 --> 00:55:09,119
my wife would love that she likes she's

1496
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:10,559
always so cold

1497
00:55:16,789 --> 00:55:13,680
even in the winter time

1498
00:55:18,870 --> 00:55:16,799
we'll bump it up to like 70 71 but it's

1499
00:55:20,870 --> 00:55:18,880
at least 69

1500
00:55:22,069 --> 00:55:20,880
every day that's just the way it is hell

1501
00:55:26,470 --> 00:55:22,079
yeah bro

1502
00:55:28,309 --> 00:55:26,480
hell yeah so i'm uh uh

1503
00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:28,319
there there's there's other ways you can

1504
00:55:31,990 --> 00:55:30,480
you can get into area 51 if you want to

1505
00:55:33,430 --> 00:55:32,000
risk it and then be coming in through

1506
00:55:34,789 --> 00:55:33,440
mercury where they don't have the

1507
00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:34,799
sensors

1508
00:55:37,829 --> 00:55:36,240
but you have to you know you have to go

1509
00:55:39,349 --> 00:55:37,839
across an awful lot of desert and you

1510
00:55:40,470 --> 00:55:39,359
got to do it at night

1511
00:55:42,470 --> 00:55:40,480
and you got to hope that's when the

1512
00:55:43,910 --> 00:55:42,480
scorpions are out yes and that's when

1513
00:55:46,789 --> 00:55:43,920
the rattlesnakes are out

1514
00:55:47,589 --> 00:55:46,799
that's why my favorite time to go out uh

1515
00:55:51,030 --> 00:55:47,599
when we were

1516
00:55:54,150 --> 00:55:51,040
rock climbing up the top of of uh

1517
00:55:57,510 --> 00:55:54,160
the uh ball of the groom range

1518
00:55:59,190 --> 00:55:57,520
yeah it was i think all the snakes were

1519
00:56:01,670 --> 00:55:59,200
all hibernating

1520
00:56:02,549 --> 00:56:01,680
yeah but is it like during the winter

1521
00:56:04,549 --> 00:56:02,559
maybe yeah

1522
00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:04,559
yeah i wasn't i was on top of uh the

1523
00:56:07,670 --> 00:56:05,760
grim range with the guy

1524
00:56:09,670 --> 00:56:07,680
we called the swiss mountain bat his

1525
00:56:10,309 --> 00:56:09,680
name's mine rad he's from the zurich

1526
00:56:11,430 --> 00:56:10,319
area

1527
00:56:13,109 --> 00:56:11,440
and he's flying he's one of the

1528
00:56:14,309 --> 00:56:13,119
interceptors oh that's cool there's a

1529
00:56:14,710 --> 00:56:14,319
there's an original group like i was

1530
00:56:17,589 --> 00:56:14,720
saying

1531
00:56:19,589 --> 00:56:17,599
before we all have our own names and

1532
00:56:22,470 --> 00:56:19,599
mine red was the swiss mountain bat

1533
00:56:24,390 --> 00:56:22,480
because he like bad you know batmobile

1534
00:56:26,549 --> 00:56:24,400
you know bat birds you know yeah yeah

1535
00:56:28,710 --> 00:56:26,559
black airplanes and stuff and he's from

1536
00:56:31,349 --> 00:56:28,720
he's from switzerland that's cool

1537
00:56:31,990 --> 00:56:31,359
so it's um it was it was a small group

1538
00:56:35,910 --> 00:56:32,000
of guys

1539
00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:35,920
it was a a once in a life lifetime

1540
00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:38,079
gathering of we're all from different

1541
00:56:41,670 --> 00:56:39,440
backgrounds all of us

1542
00:56:43,910 --> 00:56:41,680
yeah uh it's like the league of

1543
00:56:44,309 --> 00:56:43,920
extraordinary gentlemen but it's like

1544
00:56:48,069 --> 00:56:44,319
this

1545
00:56:49,190 --> 00:56:48,079
crazy hobby that you don't like no one

1546
00:56:50,710 --> 00:56:49,200
really knows

1547
00:56:52,470 --> 00:56:50,720
knew about it at the end of the day i

1548
00:56:55,510 --> 00:56:52,480
came home from a road trip

1549
00:56:56,309 --> 00:56:55,520
with my first wife and she said i said

1550
00:56:57,910 --> 00:56:56,319
what have you done

1551
00:57:00,230 --> 00:56:57,920
i said what do you mean said the chief

1552
00:57:02,870 --> 00:57:00,240
of police at tulare california is called

1553
00:57:04,630 --> 00:57:02,880
looking for jim goodall sit i said i

1554
00:57:07,750 --> 00:57:04,640
don't know

1555
00:57:10,549 --> 00:57:07,760
where's tulare you know it's on it's on

1556
00:57:12,390 --> 00:57:10,559
u.s 99 near bakersfield between

1557
00:57:15,430 --> 00:57:12,400
bakersfield and fresno

1558
00:57:16,549 --> 00:57:15,440
it's the home of haagen-dazs ice cream

1559
00:57:18,390 --> 00:57:16,559
they wanted to listen they wanted an

1560
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:18,400
unusual they wanted an exotic sounding

1561
00:57:23,589 --> 00:57:19,920
european name

1562
00:57:25,510 --> 00:57:23,599
to an american product so it's made in

1563
00:57:26,950 --> 00:57:25,520
it i'm assuming it still is made in

1564
00:57:28,789 --> 00:57:26,960
tulare it's cute little town

1565
00:57:32,390 --> 00:57:28,799
i did not know that okay so they

1566
00:57:34,069 --> 00:57:32,400
destroyed i call i call this guy up

1567
00:57:36,710 --> 00:57:34,079
and i said this is jim goodall i want to

1568
00:57:38,950 --> 00:57:36,720
see speed this chief roger hill

1569
00:57:40,870 --> 00:57:38,960
just a minute roger gets on the phone

1570
00:57:41,750 --> 00:57:40,880
jim said i'm glad i finally tracked you

1571
00:57:45,510 --> 00:57:41,760
down and said

1572
00:57:48,950 --> 00:57:45,520
said said my deputy caught my commandant

1573
00:57:50,549 --> 00:57:48,960
and my my uh chief of detectives we want

1574
00:57:53,270 --> 00:57:50,559
to meet you to go out in the desert

1575
00:57:55,829 --> 00:57:53,280
and look at stuff look at everything

1576
00:57:59,190 --> 00:57:55,839
holy [\h__\h] yeah

1577
00:57:59,990 --> 00:57:59,200
so so they were like dude we we've heard

1578
00:58:02,150 --> 00:58:00,000
that you

1579
00:58:03,670 --> 00:58:02,160
you like to go out there 51. we want to

1580
00:58:06,150 --> 00:58:03,680
come along

1581
00:58:09,910 --> 00:58:06,160
the first the first night i ever spent

1582
00:58:13,190 --> 00:58:09,920
the night on the top of freedom ridge

1583
00:58:14,390 --> 00:58:13,200
it was it was myself it was stu brown

1584
00:58:17,109 --> 00:58:14,400
from popular science

1585
00:58:18,789 --> 00:58:17,119
it was glenn campbell from the area 51

1586
00:58:21,670 --> 00:58:18,799
research center

1587
00:58:21,990 --> 00:58:21,680
it was tom luttrell roger hill i can't

1588
00:58:23,990 --> 00:58:22,000
remember

1589
00:58:25,750 --> 00:58:24,000
david's last name he was chief of

1590
00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:25,760
homicide

1591
00:58:32,150 --> 00:58:30,160
and then uh chief of detectives

1592
00:58:33,829 --> 00:58:32,160
whoa and all of a sudden and we're

1593
00:58:34,950 --> 00:58:33,839
asleep we're sound asleep

1594
00:58:36,950 --> 00:58:34,960
uh and all of a sudden we have

1595
00:58:39,589 --> 00:58:36,960
flashlights on our face

1596
00:58:40,069 --> 00:58:39,599
we're on top of freedom ridge what the

1597
00:58:42,950 --> 00:58:40,079
hell's going

1598
00:58:44,549 --> 00:58:42,960
on says so jeremy stricked it you know

1599
00:58:47,910 --> 00:58:44,559
the restricted area [\h__\h]

1600
00:58:49,670 --> 00:58:47,920
said no we're not you can't

1601
00:58:51,670 --> 00:58:49,680
cover it up you don't even like get out

1602
00:58:53,430 --> 00:58:51,680
of your bed you can you can't

1603
00:58:54,789 --> 00:58:53,440
you can't yeah it says you're not

1604
00:58:56,069 --> 00:58:54,799
allowed to take any photography up what

1605
00:58:56,860 --> 00:58:56,079
are you doing up here i said we're bird

1606
00:58:58,390 --> 00:58:56,870
watchers

1607
00:58:59,829 --> 00:58:58,400
[Laughter]

1608
00:59:01,829 --> 00:58:59,839
yeah i mean you're not alone i heard i

1609
00:59:03,510 --> 00:59:01,839
heard i heard

1610
00:59:05,109 --> 00:59:03,520
i heard the other guy on the radio i

1611
00:59:06,470 --> 00:59:05,119
said they refused to show us id

1612
00:59:09,030 --> 00:59:06,480
i said you lying son of a [\h__\h] you

1613
00:59:10,950 --> 00:59:09,040
didn't ask

1614
00:59:12,710 --> 00:59:10,960
so one of the lincoln county sheriffs

1615
00:59:16,710 --> 00:59:12,720
there was there was air force

1616
00:59:19,030 --> 00:59:16,720
wagon hut and uh

1617
00:59:20,309 --> 00:59:19,040
air and whacking hut and lincoln

1618
00:59:22,309 --> 00:59:20,319
counties well lean counter sheriff

1619
00:59:23,349 --> 00:59:22,319
whack and nut and air force three

1620
00:59:27,109 --> 00:59:23,359
different people

1621
00:59:28,630 --> 00:59:27,119
groups up there and the uh

1622
00:59:30,309 --> 00:59:28,640
there's the uh i can't remember the

1623
00:59:31,030 --> 00:59:30,319
sheriff's name deputy sheriff's name i

1624
00:59:33,349 --> 00:59:31,040
just

1625
00:59:35,510 --> 00:59:33,359
he's sort of a barney fife type guy yeah

1626
00:59:38,710 --> 00:59:35,520
yeah squeaky voice

1627
00:59:40,150 --> 00:59:38,720
said i know that name the name sounds

1628
00:59:44,549 --> 00:59:40,160
familiar

1629
00:59:48,069 --> 00:59:44,559
and then he said says stu was using his

1630
00:59:49,510 --> 00:59:48,079
his camera bag for a pillow

1631
00:59:51,349 --> 00:59:49,520
so i want to see what's in that camera

1632
00:59:55,589 --> 00:59:51,359
bag i said

1633
00:59:57,109 --> 00:59:55,599
your search warrant no i said you can't

1634
00:59:59,190 --> 00:59:57,119
watch a camera bag we know it has a

1635
01:00:00,870 --> 00:59:59,200
camera in it and i said this is a wallet

1636
01:00:02,950 --> 01:00:00,880
and you assume it has money in it it

1637
01:00:04,789 --> 01:00:02,960
doesn't

1638
01:00:06,069 --> 01:00:04,799
so unless you have a search warrant no

1639
01:00:06,710 --> 01:00:06,079
we're not going to open up the camera

1640
01:00:09,190 --> 01:00:06,720
bay

1641
01:00:10,950 --> 01:00:09,200
yeah and they start you know saying

1642
01:00:14,950 --> 01:00:10,960
something else they finally started to

1643
01:00:15,670 --> 01:00:14,960
disperse they had asked stu brown for id

1644
01:00:18,950 --> 01:00:15,680
they'd asked

1645
01:00:22,390 --> 01:00:18,960
didn't ask the four

1646
01:00:23,829 --> 01:00:22,400
cops hmm and roger hill said those guys

1647
01:00:25,510 --> 01:00:23,839
all the questions they were asking the

1648
01:00:27,670 --> 01:00:25,520
demands they were making they were

1649
01:00:29,510 --> 01:00:27,680
trampling all over your first amendment

1650
01:00:30,710 --> 01:00:29,520
second amendment you know you know all

1651
01:00:33,349 --> 01:00:30,720
your rights yeah

1652
01:00:34,230 --> 01:00:33,359
they said if they if they would ask i

1653
01:00:36,549 --> 01:00:34,240
would announce

1654
01:00:37,750 --> 01:00:36,559
i'm chief of police yeah that would shut

1655
01:00:41,349 --> 01:00:37,760
them down right then and there

1656
01:00:43,030 --> 01:00:41,359
so so they disperse we're all wide awake

1657
01:00:43,750 --> 01:00:43,040
it's 3 30 in the morning four o'clock in

1658
01:00:47,109 --> 01:00:43,760
the morning

1659
01:00:48,710 --> 01:00:47,119
so i put a night vision on and the and

1660
01:00:57,589 --> 01:00:48,720
whites i mean freedom ridge is

1661
01:00:59,190 --> 01:00:57,599
surrounded by about 30 guys

1662
01:01:00,950 --> 01:00:59,200
oh everybody's flicking you all off and

1663
01:01:04,870 --> 01:01:00,960
you guys are like yeah man

1664
01:01:06,710 --> 01:01:04,880
yeah i mean and and this was a time

1665
01:01:08,230 --> 01:01:06,720
when the interceptors as we called

1666
01:01:11,190 --> 01:01:08,240
herself and there was an unofficial name

1667
01:01:12,870 --> 01:01:11,200
the dreamland interceptors

1668
01:01:14,390 --> 01:01:12,880
one of the guys actually made a patch

1669
01:01:15,829 --> 01:01:14,400
and i didn't get it i don't know why i

1670
01:01:19,030 --> 01:01:15,839
didn't get one but

1671
01:01:21,030 --> 01:01:19,040
my heart isn't broken but it was it was

1672
01:01:24,150 --> 01:01:21,040
it was a time frame

1673
01:01:27,109 --> 01:01:24,160
before 9 11.

1674
01:01:27,990 --> 01:01:27,119
it was a time time frame before all this

1675
01:01:30,309 --> 01:01:28,000
uh

1676
01:01:31,990 --> 01:01:30,319
it's a different world before it is it

1677
01:01:35,589 --> 01:01:32,000
is it's a different century

1678
01:01:37,670 --> 01:01:35,599
yeah and this is before the internet

1679
01:01:38,870 --> 01:01:37,680
truly if you know i'm sure kids are

1680
01:01:40,549 --> 01:01:38,880
saying there was something

1681
01:01:42,390 --> 01:01:40,559
i mean the internet hasn't always been

1682
01:01:43,190 --> 01:01:42,400
here yeah no this is before the this is

1683
01:01:47,829 --> 01:01:43,200
before the

1684
01:01:51,829 --> 01:01:50,230
you had to go out and do it in person

1685
01:01:53,349 --> 01:01:51,839
yeah you couldn't you know if you wanted

1686
01:01:55,270 --> 01:01:53,359
to know something about

1687
01:01:57,430 --> 01:01:55,280
whatever is happening if you want to

1688
01:01:59,589 --> 01:01:57,440
know something about area 51

1689
01:02:01,589 --> 01:01:59,599
you had to get on a plane or get on your

1690
01:02:04,470 --> 01:02:01,599
car and drive

1691
01:02:05,589 --> 01:02:04,480
to rachel nevada which is the north end

1692
01:02:09,109 --> 01:02:05,599
area 51

1693
01:02:10,789 --> 01:02:09,119
yeah and uh try to you know try to get

1694
01:02:12,390 --> 01:02:10,799
make friends with some of the locals to

1695
01:02:13,029 --> 01:02:12,400
you know learn some of the ins and outs

1696
01:02:15,430 --> 01:02:13,039
or whatever

1697
01:02:16,470 --> 01:02:15,440
you had to take you had to go out and

1698
01:02:18,710 --> 01:02:16,480
put get your

1699
01:02:20,789 --> 01:02:18,720
your shoes dirty yeah that's what always

1700
01:02:24,549 --> 01:02:20,799
irritated me about

1701
01:02:26,390 --> 01:02:24,559
the news readers on the alphabets

1702
01:02:28,789 --> 01:02:26,400
uh the people who are getting pictures

1703
01:02:29,750 --> 01:02:28,799
of the f-117 and tonal protestants are

1704
01:02:33,109 --> 01:02:29,760
people like myself

1705
01:02:34,870 --> 01:02:33,119
actually a lot of my stuff yeah and

1706
01:02:37,109 --> 01:02:34,880
they could have done a live broadcast as

1707
01:02:37,829 --> 01:02:37,119
an f-117 flew over there but they didn't

1708
01:02:42,470 --> 01:02:37,839
want to get their

1709
01:02:44,390 --> 01:02:42,480
four shines dusty right yeah and

1710
01:02:46,309 --> 01:02:44,400
they're not journalists anymore stu

1711
01:02:47,109 --> 01:02:46,319
brown is the i think the last journalist

1712
01:02:50,630 --> 01:02:47,119
i've ever known

1713
01:02:53,190 --> 01:02:50,640
i mean he is uh uh no i i i can't

1714
01:02:54,870 --> 01:02:53,200
i have to take that back all the guys i

1715
01:02:57,109 --> 01:02:54,880
know from from aviation week

1716
01:02:58,069 --> 01:02:57,119
those guys are journalists yeah they do

1717
01:03:01,910 --> 01:02:58,079
report

1718
01:03:02,150 --> 01:03:01,920
the news and as as it really happened

1719
01:03:06,230 --> 01:03:02,160
right

1720
01:03:09,190 --> 01:03:06,240
that ages

1721
01:03:09,829 --> 01:03:09,200
uh that era is so lost nowadays i mean

1722
01:03:12,470 --> 01:03:09,839
we did

1723
01:03:12,870 --> 01:03:12,480
we had just done a a podcast last night

1724
01:03:15,430 --> 01:03:12,880
about

1725
01:03:17,349 --> 01:03:15,440
this kind of topic is that everything's

1726
01:03:18,150 --> 01:03:17,359
just a headline now everything's click

1727
01:03:19,910 --> 01:03:18,160
bait and

1728
01:03:21,589 --> 01:03:19,920
no one really wants to do any research

1729
01:03:23,510 --> 01:03:21,599
and get out there and get their

1730
01:03:25,510 --> 01:03:23,520
feet dirty and [\h__\h] like that like

1731
01:03:28,390 --> 01:03:25,520
everybody's it's all just

1732
01:03:30,309 --> 01:03:28,400
very shallow journalism yeah you know i

1733
01:03:34,069 --> 01:03:30,319
have a dear friend who's who's

1734
01:03:37,109 --> 01:03:34,079
in the ufo uh you know ufology

1735
01:03:37,750 --> 01:03:37,119
uh business really that is his true

1736
01:03:41,430 --> 01:03:37,760
passion

1737
01:03:44,549 --> 01:03:41,440
that's michael schrad yeah yeah awesome

1738
01:03:47,589 --> 01:03:44,559
he has he has put together

1739
01:03:52,069 --> 01:03:47,599
i think it's 22 of the most significant

1740
01:03:52,470 --> 01:03:52,079
ufo encounters ever in an 80 or 90 page

1741
01:03:55,829 --> 01:03:52,480
now

1742
01:04:00,230 --> 01:03:55,839
maybe it's not that long maybe it's it's

1743
01:04:02,470 --> 01:04:00,240
right around 80 page e-book on amazon

1744
01:04:03,829 --> 01:04:02,480
it's fully illustrated as supporting

1745
01:04:05,750 --> 01:04:03,839
documents

1746
01:04:07,589 --> 01:04:05,760
and you saw his presentation in san

1747
01:04:09,270 --> 01:04:07,599
francisco it was awesome yeah and i've

1748
01:04:11,270 --> 01:04:09,280
know i've known michael

1749
01:04:13,990 --> 01:04:11,280
for over i don't know i don't think 20

1750
01:04:15,910 --> 01:04:14,000
years but uh at least 15.

1751
01:04:17,430 --> 01:04:15,920
i think the world of them yeah he's he's

1752
01:04:22,470 --> 01:04:17,440
brilliant he's he is a

1753
01:04:26,150 --> 01:04:22,480
he's his own worst critic um

1754
01:04:29,109 --> 01:04:26,160
and he and he he doesn't realize

1755
01:04:29,829 --> 01:04:29,119
how people appreciate what he's done

1756
01:04:31,270 --> 01:04:29,839
right

1757
01:04:32,950 --> 01:04:31,280
i mean i've known him all this time in

1758
01:04:33,270 --> 01:04:32,960
san francisco was the first time i heard

1759
01:04:35,829 --> 01:04:33,280
him

1760
01:04:38,470 --> 01:04:35,839
give a presentation now we've sat down

1761
01:04:41,829 --> 01:04:38,480
for three or four hours at my house

1762
01:04:42,710 --> 01:04:41,839
in arizona yeah and talked ufos and talk

1763
01:04:44,950 --> 01:04:42,720
stuff

1764
01:04:45,750 --> 01:04:44,960
and even videotaped me uh two or three

1765
01:04:49,109 --> 01:04:45,760
times

1766
01:04:51,589 --> 01:04:49,119
um uh my backdrop was

1767
01:04:54,870 --> 01:04:51,599
all my blackbird instruments hell yeah i

1768
01:04:58,390 --> 01:04:54,880
have a mock meter that says 3.24

1769
01:05:00,870 --> 01:04:58,400
yes i have a sass that was in the m21

1770
01:05:02,069 --> 01:05:00,880
the drone launch blackbird and they had

1771
01:05:05,270 --> 01:05:02,079
just taken it out

1772
01:05:07,109 --> 01:05:05,280
after a flight because

1773
01:05:09,029 --> 01:05:07,119
something was was they were they're

1774
01:05:11,190 --> 01:05:09,039
getting an error message and they

1775
01:05:12,870 --> 01:05:11,200
so i just swapped it out on that flight

1776
01:05:13,670 --> 01:05:12,880
the airplane had the mid-air collision

1777
01:05:16,870 --> 01:05:13,680
and crashed

1778
01:05:19,589 --> 01:05:16,880
oh so all my instruments have gone

1779
01:05:20,549 --> 01:05:19,599
at least mach 3. that's cool the

1780
01:05:22,870 --> 01:05:20,559
dashboard the

1781
01:05:23,750 --> 01:05:22,880
dials and everything that's so cool

1782
01:05:25,750 --> 01:05:23,760
that's awesome

1783
01:05:27,190 --> 01:05:25,760
yeah that's those are my treasures i

1784
01:05:29,109 --> 01:05:27,200
wanted to say this really quick uh

1785
01:05:30,470 --> 01:05:29,119
there's a photo uh that you posted on

1786
01:05:32,309 --> 01:05:30,480
facebook of you

1787
01:05:34,309 --> 01:05:32,319
uh or maybe it was some money somebody

1788
01:05:37,430 --> 01:05:34,319
was sitting in a blackbird

1789
01:05:40,549 --> 01:05:37,440
it's me that was okay i was like

1790
01:05:41,990 --> 01:05:40,559
i'm i'm standing in my a12 blackbird

1791
01:05:44,630 --> 01:05:42,000
yeah and behind me a bunch of army

1792
01:05:47,910 --> 01:05:44,640
trucks yeah i didn't realize because

1793
01:05:48,630 --> 01:05:47,920
i always thought that the the the plane

1794
01:05:50,950 --> 01:05:48,640
was a lot

1795
01:05:51,670 --> 01:05:50,960
bigger but this thing is like oh no it's

1796
01:05:54,390 --> 01:05:51,680
huge

1797
01:05:55,670 --> 01:05:54,400
it is it is you you don't realize how

1798
01:05:57,670 --> 01:05:55,680
big the black bird is

1799
01:05:59,190 --> 01:05:57,680
until you're on top of it yeah maybe

1800
01:06:02,390 --> 01:05:59,200
it's just the chinese are two

1801
01:06:05,349 --> 01:06:02,400
shines are 12 feet apart or 12 feet wide

1802
01:06:05,910 --> 01:06:05,359
yeah does that mean the the wingspan no

1803
01:06:08,950 --> 01:06:05,920
the front

1804
01:06:11,430 --> 01:06:08,960
body the body that yeah

1805
01:06:13,430 --> 01:06:11,440
and it swoops out like until yeah and

1806
01:06:15,990 --> 01:06:13,440
and to engineers

1807
01:06:16,549 --> 01:06:16,000
and drafts people and this came from ben

1808
01:06:20,069 --> 01:06:16,559
rich

1809
01:06:21,349 --> 01:06:20,079
was the retired late retired president

1810
01:06:25,349 --> 01:06:21,359
of the skunk works

1811
01:06:28,950 --> 01:06:27,270
he said kelly's requirement when they

1812
01:06:32,630 --> 01:06:28,960
designed the blackbird

1813
01:06:36,630 --> 01:06:32,640
there are no french curves every curve

1814
01:06:39,589 --> 01:06:36,640
on a blackbird is a true circle

1815
01:06:40,470 --> 01:06:39,599
cool ah cool so you put you put a big

1816
01:06:42,710 --> 01:06:40,480
enough circle

1817
01:06:43,510 --> 01:06:42,720
you know you can get any radius you want

1818
01:06:44,950 --> 01:06:43,520
interesting

1819
01:06:46,549 --> 01:06:44,960
so wait does that mean like it's all

1820
01:06:48,470 --> 01:06:46,559
like all the curves are made of like if

1821
01:06:50,309 --> 01:06:48,480
you put a big circle that it's

1822
01:06:51,910 --> 01:06:50,319
just following the circumference of a

1823
01:06:52,390 --> 01:06:51,920
certain yeah if you have a template and

1824
01:06:58,950 --> 01:06:52,400
it's it's

1825
01:07:00,470 --> 01:06:58,960
or 36 inch circle right yeah and that's

1826
01:07:01,990 --> 01:07:00,480
the rating you put that on there it'll

1827
01:07:02,950 --> 01:07:02,000
perfectly match the profile that's

1828
01:07:04,950 --> 01:07:02,960
awesome that's cool

1829
01:07:06,470 --> 01:07:04,960
yeah that's cool and the other the other

1830
01:07:07,349 --> 01:07:06,480
thing i i helped take apart two

1831
01:07:09,190 --> 01:07:07,359
blackbirds

1832
01:07:10,630 --> 01:07:09,200
i took apart nine you know nine three

1833
01:07:12,069 --> 01:07:10,640
one my a12

1834
01:07:14,789 --> 01:07:12,079
which you could pot in two and a half

1835
01:07:17,510 --> 01:07:14,799
days wow wow it took the guys from hill

1836
01:07:20,309 --> 01:07:17,520
air force base six weeks to take apart

1837
01:07:21,589 --> 01:07:20,319
981 that's the one that went to the uh

1838
01:07:25,430 --> 01:07:21,599
uh hill museum

1839
01:07:25,910 --> 01:07:25,440
in uh ogden utah yeah but the guys i had

1840
01:07:29,349 --> 01:07:25,920
working

1841
01:07:33,270 --> 01:07:29,359
and the guys who took the uh the the tr

1842
01:07:36,309 --> 01:07:33,280
the uh sr-71c trainer to hill

1843
01:07:39,589 --> 01:07:36,319
they use die grinders and they do

1844
01:07:41,109 --> 01:07:39,599
you cut the there's 18 wing beams you

1845
01:07:43,270 --> 01:07:41,119
have to cut through like angle

1846
01:07:44,309 --> 01:07:43,280
angle grinders with the the discs on it

1847
01:07:47,670 --> 01:07:44,319
yeah yeah

1848
01:07:51,190 --> 01:07:47,680
okay our guys use a k-12 rescue saw

1849
01:07:53,829 --> 01:07:51,200
i mean it's a 12-inch gas powered yeah

1850
01:07:55,109 --> 01:07:53,839
and just uh no these are air powered

1851
01:07:56,630 --> 01:07:55,119
because they won't allow get no those

1852
01:07:58,390 --> 01:07:56,640
there was a gas powered

1853
01:08:01,029 --> 01:07:58,400
and we cut the wings off and the thing

1854
01:08:04,150 --> 01:08:01,039
about it the wing spars

1855
01:08:07,270 --> 01:08:04,160
our 30 000 sheet titanium

1856
01:08:10,470 --> 01:08:07,280
with a machined spar cap top and bottom

1857
01:08:13,910 --> 01:08:10,480
and we had cut through all but a

1858
01:08:15,750 --> 01:08:13,920
half inch of one spar cap and this ten

1859
01:08:18,789 --> 01:08:15,760
thousand pound engine to sell

1860
01:08:20,229 --> 01:08:18,799
is still sitting there hasn't moved and

1861
01:08:22,870 --> 01:08:20,239
the guy with the k12 he's

1862
01:08:24,470 --> 01:08:22,880
he's he's tapping he's tapping on

1863
01:08:28,470 --> 01:08:24,480
because doesn't what's going to happen

1864
01:08:32,070 --> 01:08:28,480
i mean it's chained up on a a um

1865
01:08:33,829 --> 01:08:32,080
a little hoist no it was a forklift okay

1866
01:08:36,390 --> 01:08:33,839
it was good for it was good for 10 tons

1867
01:08:39,749 --> 01:08:36,400
yeah 10 10. this is a 10 000 pound

1868
01:08:42,070 --> 01:08:39,759
engine to and outer wing panel

1869
01:08:42,870 --> 01:08:42,080
and we didn't realize we thought we had

1870
01:08:45,430 --> 01:08:42,880
emptied all the

1871
01:08:45,990 --> 01:08:45,440
hydraulic i mean all the pneumatic

1872
01:08:48,709 --> 01:08:46,000
pressure

1873
01:08:49,189 --> 01:08:48,719
in the oleos there's a valve on top so

1874
01:08:51,910 --> 01:08:49,199
you can

1875
01:08:52,550 --> 01:08:51,920
collapse the oils or whatever well we

1876
01:08:55,030 --> 01:08:52,560
thought they

1877
01:08:56,470 --> 01:08:55,040
you know they they had been emptied and

1878
01:08:59,669 --> 01:08:56,480
when that 10 000

1879
01:09:01,030 --> 01:08:59,679
uh pounds of wing was finally relieved

1880
01:09:03,510 --> 01:09:01,040
from the fuselage

1881
01:09:06,390 --> 01:09:03,520
it went up like this i mean i mean

1882
01:09:08,870 --> 01:09:06,400
instantly it went up about 18 inches

1883
01:09:10,550 --> 01:09:08,880
and the guy up there thought that the

1884
01:09:11,349 --> 01:09:10,560
airplane was falling over he bought had

1885
01:09:13,349 --> 01:09:11,359
a heart attack

1886
01:09:14,709 --> 01:09:13,359
we all did i mean scared that we talked

1887
01:09:16,390 --> 01:09:14,719
he thought they we thought the engine

1888
01:09:18,229 --> 01:09:16,400
itself was dropping because

1889
01:09:20,229 --> 01:09:18,239
you know our vantage point is looking at

1890
01:09:22,470 --> 01:09:20,239
the wing and the and it looks like right

1891
01:09:23,510 --> 01:09:22,480
the engine itself was going down oh my

1892
01:09:26,550 --> 01:09:23,520
god but

1893
01:09:30,070 --> 01:09:29,030
the way we moved the blackbird from

1894
01:09:33,189 --> 01:09:30,080
palmdale

1895
01:09:36,470 --> 01:09:33,199
to the minnesota air guard museum

1896
01:09:40,070 --> 01:09:36,480
is ice crown's two c fives

1897
01:09:42,470 --> 01:09:40,080
uh to move it what's a two c a c five

1898
01:09:43,749 --> 01:09:42,480
uh two of them it's a number two yeah

1899
01:09:46,870 --> 01:09:43,759
two lockheed

1900
01:09:49,189 --> 01:09:46,880
c5 galaxy airlifters the world's largest

1901
01:09:51,349 --> 01:09:49,199
the air force's largest airplane right

1902
01:09:51,910 --> 01:09:51,359
right the front opens up the back opens

1903
01:09:54,310 --> 01:09:51,920
up

1904
01:09:56,390 --> 01:09:54,320
they usually look like a gigantic uh the

1905
01:09:58,950 --> 01:09:56,400
old ones look like a gigantic pickle

1906
01:09:59,830 --> 01:09:58,960
the european one now they're all gray

1907
01:10:04,070 --> 01:09:59,840
but the floor

1908
01:10:05,350 --> 01:10:04,080
is is 121 feet long 19 feet wide i think

1909
01:10:08,149 --> 01:10:05,360
the lowest point

1910
01:10:09,830 --> 01:10:08,159
in the cargo bay is at 13 feet so as

1911
01:10:11,750 --> 01:10:09,840
long as the object

1912
01:10:13,750 --> 01:10:11,760
is no bigger than that it'll fit inside

1913
01:10:16,790 --> 01:10:13,760
the uh the black

1914
01:10:18,470 --> 01:10:16,800
it will sit inside inside the c5

1915
01:10:21,110 --> 01:10:18,480
that's awesome so i had i had figured

1916
01:10:24,229 --> 01:10:21,120
out that a an a12 blackbird with the

1917
01:10:26,630 --> 01:10:24,239
wings cut off at wing station 112

1918
01:10:27,830 --> 01:10:26,640
by taking the outer wheels and brake

1919
01:10:29,430 --> 01:10:27,840
assembly off

1920
01:10:31,910 --> 01:10:29,440
that we had one and a half inch of

1921
01:10:34,709 --> 01:10:31,920
clearance on the floor

1922
01:10:35,669 --> 01:10:34,719
to move a seat to move the blackbird in

1923
01:10:38,229 --> 01:10:35,679
dang

1924
01:10:40,229 --> 01:10:38,239
and if it was if it was a little bit if

1925
01:10:41,590 --> 01:10:40,239
we didn't have quite enough room

1926
01:10:43,669 --> 01:10:41,600
then you're gonna come along between the

1927
01:10:45,350 --> 01:10:43,679
two landing air and you torque it in

1928
01:10:47,590 --> 01:10:45,360
yeah

1929
01:10:48,550 --> 01:10:47,600
just shove it in there and i and i had i

1930
01:10:51,430 --> 01:10:48,560
had three

1931
01:10:52,790 --> 01:10:51,440
chief master sergeants you know really

1932
01:10:55,110 --> 01:10:52,800
heading it up because i

1933
01:10:57,189 --> 01:10:55,120
gone to andy hofdahl who was a chief

1934
01:11:00,070 --> 01:10:57,199
master sergeant

1935
01:11:01,990 --> 01:11:00,080
of maintenance and uh chief master

1936
01:11:04,070 --> 01:11:02,000
sergeant billy flash peter they both had

1937
01:11:07,750 --> 01:11:04,080
40 plus years working on lockheed

1938
01:11:10,870 --> 01:11:07,760
airplanes and they uh

1939
01:11:13,510 --> 01:11:10,880
uh they they headed up the team

1940
01:11:15,030 --> 01:11:13,520
and there was there was another there

1941
01:11:18,310 --> 01:11:15,040
was another chief i can't remember

1942
01:11:20,070 --> 01:11:18,320
i wouldn't know it was buzz carroll

1943
01:11:21,590 --> 01:11:20,080
and then we had a couple other people

1944
01:11:24,870 --> 01:11:21,600
and then the time i was i was

1945
01:11:27,430 --> 01:11:24,880
i was a tech sergeant

1946
01:11:29,430 --> 01:11:27,440
what happened oh my camera just stops

1947
01:11:31,590 --> 01:11:29,440
every now and then

1948
01:11:32,790 --> 01:11:31,600
it gets hot i think oh all right i'm

1949
01:11:36,390 --> 01:11:32,800
gonna press record again to see what

1950
01:11:40,149 --> 01:11:39,350
we're back and we're back for overheat

1951
01:11:43,430 --> 01:11:40,159
camera over

1952
01:11:46,390 --> 01:11:43,440
heatness yeah it happens in texas man

1953
01:11:46,790 --> 01:11:46,400
uh jimmy so i had i have a couple of two

1954
01:11:49,830 --> 01:11:46,800
two

1955
01:11:51,270 --> 01:11:49,840
main idea questions um we've talked a

1956
01:11:52,229 --> 01:11:51,280
lot about your expertise in the

1957
01:11:54,550 --> 01:11:52,239
blackbird

1958
01:11:55,510 --> 01:11:54,560
your experiences with john lear and bob

1959
01:11:57,590 --> 01:11:55,520
lazar

1960
01:11:58,790 --> 01:11:57,600
awesome stories about sneaking on to

1961
01:12:01,430 --> 01:11:58,800
area 51 within

1962
01:12:01,910 --> 01:12:01,440
your rights you know uh i want to ask

1963
01:12:04,870 --> 01:12:01,920
you know

1964
01:12:06,630 --> 01:12:04,880
the more maybe ufo related things i know

1965
01:12:08,709 --> 01:12:06,640
that you've been curious

1966
01:12:10,229 --> 01:12:08,719
about you know look always looking up as

1967
01:12:13,350 --> 01:12:10,239
he said in the beginning of the

1968
01:12:14,790 --> 01:12:13,360
of the show but have you ever had a

1969
01:12:16,790 --> 01:12:14,800
personal experience or

1970
01:12:18,149 --> 01:12:16,800
when you took your friends out was it

1971
01:12:21,189 --> 01:12:18,159
the intent to see

1972
01:12:21,990 --> 01:12:21,199
ufos or just secret military every every

1973
01:12:25,590 --> 01:12:22,000
time i've been

1974
01:12:27,750 --> 01:12:25,600
in the desert i mean even around tucson

1975
01:12:29,350 --> 01:12:27,760
i'm when i i don't i don't i don't have

1976
01:12:30,310 --> 01:12:29,360
any directional hearing i only hear out

1977
01:12:32,550 --> 01:12:30,320
of one ear

1978
01:12:33,350 --> 01:12:32,560
so if i see a sound i gotta look all

1979
01:12:35,270 --> 01:12:33,360
over the place

1980
01:12:36,550 --> 01:12:35,280
but i'm constantly even at night i'll

1981
01:12:38,790 --> 01:12:36,560
sit down my backyard

1982
01:12:39,830 --> 01:12:38,800
i have the lights off around the pool

1983
01:12:41,590 --> 01:12:39,840
and i have lights

1984
01:12:44,709 --> 01:12:41,600
most lights off in the house and i'll

1985
01:12:47,350 --> 01:12:44,719
just sit out and i'll just watch the sky

1986
01:12:49,030 --> 01:12:47,360
and i say all right you son of a [\h__\h]

1987
01:12:52,149 --> 01:12:49,040
i'm here

1988
01:12:54,870 --> 01:12:52,159
abduct me i mean i i

1989
01:12:55,270 --> 01:12:54,880
i've been around a lot i i'm not i'm not

1990
01:12:58,310 --> 01:12:55,280
i

1991
01:13:01,990 --> 01:12:58,320
probe

1992
01:13:04,790 --> 01:13:03,590
i promise you i know they've run into a

1993
01:13:05,669 --> 01:13:04,800
lot of people with their head up their

1994
01:13:09,110 --> 01:13:05,679
ass

1995
01:13:12,149 --> 01:13:09,120
so maybe that's what they were doing um

1996
01:13:14,950 --> 01:13:12,159
and i just there's

1997
01:13:16,070 --> 01:13:14,960
too many things that i've run into in my

1998
01:13:19,270 --> 01:13:16,080
life

1999
01:13:21,030 --> 01:13:19,280
that tells me that we're not alone

2000
01:13:22,390 --> 01:13:21,040
probably the most important thing was a

2001
01:13:26,390 --> 01:13:22,400
letter that

2002
01:13:29,990 --> 01:13:26,400
ben rich wrote to john andrews

2003
01:13:31,510 --> 01:13:30,000
we call him spy one at testers anytime

2004
01:13:33,110 --> 01:13:31,520
john and i called on telephone

2005
01:13:34,870 --> 01:13:33,120
talked on telephone which was almost

2006
01:13:36,470 --> 01:13:34,880
daily uh

2007
01:13:38,390 --> 01:13:36,480
for 20 years it was always on his

2008
01:13:40,709 --> 01:13:38,400
nickels before cell phones

2009
01:13:42,390 --> 01:13:40,719
we always started out testing one two

2010
01:13:45,990 --> 01:13:42,400
three testing testing

2011
01:13:49,830 --> 01:13:46,000
this is john andrews aka spy

2012
01:13:52,149 --> 01:13:49,840
one and jim goodall aka the great one

2013
01:13:52,950 --> 01:13:52,159
we're gonna be talking about area 51

2014
01:13:54,390 --> 01:13:52,960
we're talking about

2015
01:13:56,390 --> 01:13:54,400
you know senior crown we're going to be

2016
01:14:00,390 --> 01:13:56,400
talking about tacit blue

2017
01:14:03,270 --> 01:14:00,400
have blue uh testing one two three uh

2018
01:14:05,510 --> 01:14:03,280
we're ready to begin and then we start

2019
01:14:09,430 --> 01:14:05,520
just so in case anybody's listening and

2020
01:14:14,870 --> 01:14:12,709
john and i had phone conversation

2021
01:14:17,270 --> 01:14:14,880
i was on the road and he was on the road

2022
01:14:18,630 --> 01:14:17,280
but i knew where he was going to be

2023
01:14:20,470 --> 01:14:18,640
and he was in dallas and i don't know

2024
01:14:24,630 --> 01:14:20,480
where the hell i was at

2025
01:14:27,430 --> 01:14:24,640
and i called him up and i said uh

2026
01:14:29,350 --> 01:14:27,440
we need we need to put together a low

2027
01:14:31,510 --> 01:14:29,360
observable

2028
01:14:33,189 --> 01:14:31,520
uh glider with electric motor in it

2029
01:14:36,470 --> 01:14:33,199
wrapped in ram

2030
01:14:37,750 --> 01:14:36,480
with a instamatic camera with a with a

2031
01:14:40,950 --> 01:14:37,760
little motor

2032
01:14:42,630 --> 01:14:40,960
driven after time and distance

2033
01:14:45,350 --> 01:14:42,640
it would start taking pictures overhead

2034
01:14:46,950 --> 01:14:45,360
pitches area 51 and then do a 180 and

2035
01:14:48,630 --> 01:14:46,960
come back

2036
01:14:50,630 --> 01:14:48,640
and crash lane we didn't care if it

2037
01:14:53,750 --> 01:14:50,640
crashed or it would be foam

2038
01:14:54,630 --> 01:14:53,760
yeah about three weeks later i get a

2039
01:14:57,590 --> 01:14:54,640
phone call

2040
01:14:59,189 --> 01:14:57,600
at work my wife doesn't i don't even

2041
01:15:01,270 --> 01:14:59,199
know what my phone number was i get a

2042
01:15:05,110 --> 01:15:01,280
phone call at work

2043
01:15:09,189 --> 01:15:05,120
said jim this is this is so and so

2044
01:15:11,990 --> 01:15:09,199
from security oh no he said

2045
01:15:14,550 --> 01:15:12,000
i understand that you and andrews are

2046
01:15:17,910 --> 01:15:14,560
thinking about flying a

2047
01:15:19,990 --> 01:15:17,920
uh rc airplane over area 51 to take

2048
01:15:23,110 --> 01:15:20,000
pictures

2049
01:15:24,709 --> 01:15:23,120
i'd recommend you didn't

2050
01:15:27,030 --> 01:15:24,719
now how in the hell do they know i mean

2051
01:15:29,590 --> 01:15:27,040
this is this is before

2052
01:15:30,790 --> 01:15:29,600
really a lot before com you know large

2053
01:15:32,870 --> 01:15:30,800
computers that would do

2054
01:15:34,310 --> 01:15:32,880
that would analyze trillions of

2055
01:15:37,990 --> 01:15:34,320
terabytes

2056
01:15:40,390 --> 01:15:38,000
of data yeah there wasn't the nsa

2057
01:15:42,229 --> 01:15:40,400
wasn't listening yet i don't know what

2058
01:15:43,350 --> 01:15:42,239
do i have to i have to assume it was one

2059
01:15:47,189 --> 01:15:43,360
of the alphabets

2060
01:15:49,669 --> 01:15:47,199
yeah now

2061
01:15:51,590 --> 01:15:49,679
i was given a name by the interceptors

2062
01:15:52,310 --> 01:15:51,600
primary stu brown the minister of words

2063
01:15:53,830 --> 01:15:52,320
he's the one who

2064
01:15:55,990 --> 01:15:53,840
refers me to the great one or the

2065
01:15:57,510 --> 01:15:56,000
senator because i've always had white

2066
01:16:02,229 --> 01:15:57,520
hair and i'm usually i almost

2067
01:16:04,070 --> 01:16:02,239
always wore a suit and um

2068
01:16:07,030 --> 01:16:04,080
oh god i hate when that happens my mind

2069
01:16:08,550 --> 01:16:07,040
just went i'm asking if you've ever seen

2070
01:16:11,750 --> 01:16:08,560
a ufo yourself

2071
01:16:13,910 --> 01:16:11,760
and we're we're kind of we're kind of uh

2072
01:16:15,270 --> 01:16:13,920
you you went into the story about uh

2073
01:16:17,669 --> 01:16:15,280
like

2074
01:16:19,830 --> 01:16:17,679
why well i love it no the letter the

2075
01:16:20,630 --> 01:16:19,840
letter from ben rich to john andrews it

2076
01:16:24,310 --> 01:16:20,640
was june

2077
01:16:26,870 --> 01:16:24,320
of 86 a long time ago he said

2078
01:16:27,669 --> 01:16:26,880
both kelly and i are john sent him a

2079
01:16:29,910 --> 01:16:27,679
letter

2080
01:16:31,910 --> 01:16:29,920
and less than a week later he responded

2081
01:16:34,390 --> 01:16:31,920
on his corporate letterhead

2082
01:16:35,189 --> 01:16:34,400
ben r rich president of the lockheed

2083
01:16:41,590 --> 01:16:35,199
adva

2084
01:16:42,390 --> 01:16:41,600
the skunk works yeah and in his own

2085
01:16:45,590 --> 01:16:42,400
handwriting

2086
01:16:46,070 --> 01:16:45,600
ben says that uh both he and because

2087
01:16:50,229 --> 01:16:46,080
john

2088
01:16:52,550 --> 01:16:50,239
there's two categories both man made an

2089
01:16:55,350 --> 01:16:52,560
extraterrestrial

2090
01:16:56,470 --> 01:16:55,360
and ben brought back both kelly and i

2091
01:16:58,070 --> 01:16:56,480
are firm believers

2092
01:16:59,590 --> 01:16:58,080
in both categories both both are

2093
01:17:02,310 --> 01:16:59,600
possible

2094
01:17:04,229 --> 01:17:02,320
he says we refer to ours as unfunded

2095
01:17:05,510 --> 01:17:04,239
opportunities in the underlines of you

2096
01:17:08,550 --> 01:17:05,520
the f and the o

2097
01:17:10,709 --> 01:17:08,560
oh oh oh

2098
01:17:11,590 --> 01:17:10,719
that's cool he says but beware there are

2099
01:17:13,270 --> 01:17:11,600
people who

2100
01:17:15,750 --> 01:17:13,280
who lead you straight and could do you

2101
01:17:20,470 --> 01:17:18,790
and just before now to put it this in

2102
01:17:23,669 --> 01:17:20,480
perspective

2103
01:17:24,630 --> 01:17:23,679
for 25 years i spoke to ben rich he

2104
01:17:26,550 --> 01:17:24,640
either called me

2105
01:17:27,910 --> 01:17:26,560
or i called him now he was the president

2106
01:17:29,510 --> 01:17:27,920
of the skunk works

2107
01:17:31,270 --> 01:17:29,520
and i was a i was an nco in the

2108
01:17:32,630 --> 01:17:31,280
minnesota air guard on you know one

2109
01:17:34,709 --> 01:17:32,640
weekend a month

2110
01:17:35,750 --> 01:17:34,719
i mean i was never in the defense

2111
01:17:39,430 --> 01:17:35,760
industry uh

2112
01:17:42,870 --> 01:17:39,440
in any other way but we talked at least

2113
01:17:45,590 --> 01:17:42,880
once a quarter for 25 years yeah

2114
01:17:47,750 --> 01:17:45,600
and he was dying of esophageal cancer he

2115
01:17:51,270 --> 01:17:47,760
was at usc medical center i think it was

2116
01:17:53,270 --> 01:17:51,280
christmas in 95 or 96. he died

2117
01:17:54,870 --> 01:17:53,280
10 days later and we were talking about

2118
01:17:57,510 --> 01:17:54,880
john the late john andrews because he

2119
01:18:00,470 --> 01:17:57,520
had passed away of cancer

2120
01:18:02,390 --> 01:18:00,480
and that wasn't the saddest funeral i've

2121
01:18:05,750 --> 01:18:02,400
ever been he was like my brother

2122
01:18:07,669 --> 01:18:05,760
and uh ben and i are talking about

2123
01:18:11,270 --> 01:18:07,679
john and you talked about you know they

2124
01:18:14,630 --> 01:18:11,280
were and stuff like that and

2125
01:18:15,990 --> 01:18:14,640
uh he said and advanced stuff and

2126
01:18:18,630 --> 01:18:16,000
i mentioned you started talking about

2127
01:18:22,709 --> 01:18:18,640
ufos and and ben rich told me

2128
01:18:24,950 --> 01:18:22,719
to my ear my only good ear he said jim

2129
01:18:27,590 --> 01:18:24,960
we have things out in the desert and he

2130
01:18:30,390 --> 01:18:27,600
wasn't referring to area 51. he said

2131
01:18:32,870 --> 01:18:30,400
we have things out in the desert that is

2132
01:18:35,110 --> 01:18:32,880
50 years beyond what you can

2133
01:18:36,550 --> 01:18:35,120
comprehend not what you think you can

2134
01:18:39,189 --> 01:18:36,560
build in 50 years

2135
01:18:41,030 --> 01:18:39,199
but what you can comprehend and if

2136
01:18:42,149 --> 01:18:41,040
you've seen movies like star trek or

2137
01:18:45,430 --> 01:18:42,159
star wars

2138
01:18:47,030 --> 01:18:45,440
we've been there done that or decided it

2139
01:18:48,229 --> 01:18:47,040
wasn't worth the effort i said ben you

2140
01:18:51,990 --> 01:18:48,239
want to expand upon that

2141
01:18:53,270 --> 01:18:52,000
he said no and so much had the nerve to

2142
01:18:56,630 --> 01:18:53,280
die 10 days later

2143
01:18:57,110 --> 01:18:56,640
so i mean i was it was he had promised

2144
01:19:00,390 --> 01:18:57,120
if

2145
01:19:03,590 --> 01:19:00,400
going to do an interview

2146
01:19:05,430 --> 01:19:03,600
with me no holds barred and but he

2147
01:19:08,790 --> 01:19:05,440
passed

2148
01:19:10,390 --> 01:19:08,800
wow but the the other

2149
01:19:12,149 --> 01:19:10,400
part that leads me to believe that we're

2150
01:19:14,550 --> 01:19:12,159
not alone

2151
01:19:15,270 --> 01:19:14,560
uh for a couple years i was a docent at

2152
01:19:17,110 --> 01:19:15,280
pic kitt

2153
01:19:20,149 --> 01:19:17,120
peak national observatories outside of

2154
01:19:23,189 --> 01:19:20,159
tucson they have 22 optical telescopes

2155
01:19:25,030 --> 01:19:23,199
anywhere from a small six inch to a four

2156
01:19:29,270 --> 01:19:25,040
meter that's thirteen feet across

2157
01:19:37,669 --> 01:19:33,189
and the uh two point one meter

2158
01:19:39,990 --> 01:19:37,679
uh tails uh radio the optical telescope

2159
01:19:41,110 --> 01:19:40,000
of of the 20 tour up there was used by

2160
01:19:43,830 --> 01:19:41,120
caltech

2161
01:19:45,990 --> 01:19:43,840
for five years using adaptive optics in

2162
01:19:49,510 --> 01:19:46,000
red remote operation

2163
01:19:51,270 --> 01:19:49,520
from pasadena they went into a small

2164
01:19:53,270 --> 01:19:51,280
area of the milky way

2165
01:19:54,630 --> 01:19:53,280
and over the course of five years they

2166
01:19:58,709 --> 01:19:54,640
identified

2167
01:20:02,070 --> 01:19:58,719
8 000 exoplanets

2168
01:20:04,390 --> 01:20:02,080
jesus and i was uh

2169
01:20:05,590 --> 01:20:04,400
they had they had a new uh i won't get

2170
01:20:08,070 --> 01:20:05,600
into that

2171
01:20:08,790 --> 01:20:08,080
for reasons i decided not to be a docent

2172
01:20:12,229 --> 01:20:08,800
anymore

2173
01:20:13,430 --> 01:20:12,239
i wasn't happy but just before i left we

2174
01:20:15,189 --> 01:20:13,440
had a meeting

2175
01:20:17,510 --> 01:20:15,199
of all the docents and a lot of the

2176
01:20:20,870 --> 01:20:17,520
astronomers

2177
01:20:22,629 --> 01:20:20,880
and the i can remember who uh i think it

2178
01:20:26,310 --> 01:20:22,639
was the head astronomer

2179
01:20:28,950 --> 01:20:26,320
from uh from the they call it uh

2180
01:20:30,470 --> 01:20:28,960
noao national optical astronomy

2181
01:20:31,910 --> 01:20:30,480
observatories

2182
01:20:33,669 --> 01:20:31,920
told us he had just gotten back from a

2183
01:20:36,709 --> 01:20:33,679
conference where

2184
01:20:38,390 --> 01:20:36,719
all the all the astronomers and all the

2185
01:20:40,790 --> 01:20:38,400
telescopes around the world doing

2186
01:20:43,189 --> 01:20:40,800
exoplanet research got together and

2187
01:20:47,110 --> 01:20:43,199
started throwing numbers around

2188
01:20:49,030 --> 01:20:47,120
and they they came to a conclusion based

2189
01:20:52,870 --> 01:20:49,040
on

2190
01:20:55,830 --> 01:20:52,880
probability whatever

2191
01:20:57,030 --> 01:20:55,840
that for every star in the universe not

2192
01:20:58,629 --> 01:20:57,040
the solar system

2193
01:21:00,950 --> 01:20:58,639
the universe not the galaxy in the

2194
01:21:03,270 --> 01:21:00,960
universe for every star

2195
01:21:04,790 --> 01:21:03,280
they're one and a half planets in the

2196
01:21:07,270 --> 01:21:04,800
universe

2197
01:21:08,950 --> 01:21:07,280
and out of that incredible number of

2198
01:21:12,870 --> 01:21:08,960
planets

2199
01:21:16,790 --> 01:21:12,880
he said they calculate that there are

2200
01:21:19,990 --> 01:21:16,800
2 billion that's with a b two billion

2201
01:21:20,390 --> 01:21:20,000
earth-like planets orbiting a similar

2202
01:21:24,390 --> 01:21:20,400
size

2203
01:21:28,709 --> 01:21:24,400
brown dwarf star like our sun

2204
01:21:31,590 --> 01:21:28,719
in an inhabitable zone with liquid water

2205
01:21:33,510 --> 01:21:31,600
now our our solar system is four and a

2206
01:21:35,910 --> 01:21:33,520
half billion years old

2207
01:21:36,550 --> 01:21:35,920
the universe is 14 and a half billion so

2208
01:21:39,189 --> 01:21:36,560
they've

2209
01:21:40,709 --> 01:21:39,199
there's some there's some earths out

2210
01:21:42,550 --> 01:21:40,719
there that's had a 10

2211
01:21:44,070 --> 01:21:42,560
billion year headache start on

2212
01:21:46,390 --> 01:21:44,080
technology yeah

2213
01:21:49,030 --> 01:21:46,400
look where we came in 100 years look

2214
01:21:50,709 --> 01:21:49,040
where we came since 1947

2215
01:21:52,149 --> 01:21:50,719
when the roswell incident happened

2216
01:21:54,870 --> 01:21:52,159
before there was there weren't

2217
01:21:55,830 --> 01:21:54,880
there weren't like there weren't the

2218
01:21:57,590 --> 01:21:55,840
fiber optics

2219
01:21:59,350 --> 01:21:57,600
yeah there was in kevlar there you know

2220
01:22:03,030 --> 01:21:59,360
there weren't transistors there wasn't

2221
01:22:06,149 --> 01:22:03,040
code all this that came

2222
01:22:08,550 --> 01:22:06,159
from nothing to boom

2223
01:22:11,110 --> 01:22:08,560
in a very very narrow period of time

2224
01:22:11,830 --> 01:22:11,120
right all around the time of the roswell

2225
01:22:16,390 --> 01:22:11,840
incident

2226
01:22:19,189 --> 01:22:16,400
yeah so based on the the

2227
01:22:20,229 --> 01:22:19,199
just pure numbers when you have two

2228
01:22:23,430 --> 01:22:20,239
billion

2229
01:22:25,189 --> 01:22:23,440
earths the probability of an intelligent

2230
01:22:27,189 --> 01:22:25,199
life form being formed

2231
01:22:29,510 --> 01:22:27,199
is really good yeah and they've all had

2232
01:22:31,270 --> 01:22:29,520
a probably a big head start on us

2233
01:22:32,790 --> 01:22:31,280
and to you know to quote jody foster's

2234
01:22:35,590 --> 01:22:32,800
character and contact

2235
01:22:36,550 --> 01:22:35,600
the movie contact if we're if we're the

2236
01:22:39,270 --> 01:22:36,560
only ones

2237
01:22:39,750 --> 01:22:39,280
what a waste of space yeah i mean we're

2238
01:22:51,110 --> 01:22:39,760
an

2239
01:22:53,270 --> 01:22:51,120
corner of the universe yeah yeah

2240
01:22:54,629 --> 01:22:53,280
we're alone yeah i got a bridge i could

2241
01:22:57,910 --> 01:22:54,639
sell you out here in desert

2242
01:23:01,110 --> 01:22:57,920
seriously yeah no i mean yeah the odds

2243
01:23:02,470 --> 01:23:01,120
uh if you're into the ufo thing or the

2244
01:23:05,110 --> 01:23:02,480
alien thing the

2245
01:23:07,189 --> 01:23:05,120
the odds are in your favor you know of

2246
01:23:10,550 --> 01:23:07,199
of it being

2247
01:23:11,270 --> 01:23:10,560
something legit i mean that's pretty

2248
01:23:14,390 --> 01:23:11,280
arrogant of

2249
01:23:15,510 --> 01:23:14,400
mankind to say hey we're the only

2250
01:23:18,310 --> 01:23:15,520
superior being

2251
01:23:19,110 --> 01:23:18,320
in the universe right right it's a big

2252
01:23:22,390 --> 01:23:19,120
universe

2253
01:23:25,430 --> 01:23:22,400
and

2254
01:23:29,030 --> 01:23:25,440
we were talking earlier on how

2255
01:23:30,229 --> 01:23:29,040
you know now officially you know the

2256
01:23:33,189 --> 01:23:30,239
government's saying that

2257
01:23:34,709 --> 01:23:33,199
we have craft not of this planet and

2258
01:23:38,229 --> 01:23:34,719
it's like

2259
01:23:40,310 --> 01:23:38,239
okay uh it's weird how like

2260
01:23:41,350 --> 01:23:40,320
we've waited all these years to hear

2261
01:23:44,550 --> 01:23:41,360
those words

2262
01:23:46,709 --> 01:23:44,560
spoken and it's almost

2263
01:23:47,990 --> 01:23:46,719
in a way still not good enough yeah you

2264
01:23:49,990 --> 01:23:48,000
know like nobody's like

2265
01:23:51,750 --> 01:23:50,000
buzzing about it nobody's talking about

2266
01:23:54,070 --> 01:23:51,760
it except for obviously

2267
01:23:54,950 --> 01:23:54,080
i called bob lazar yeah i called his

2268
01:23:56,470 --> 01:23:54,960
wife i

2269
01:23:58,229 --> 01:23:56,480
have her number and i have bob's number

2270
01:24:00,310 --> 01:23:58,239
two but i called

2271
01:24:01,669 --> 01:24:00,320
i called his wife first and uh she was

2272
01:24:01,990 --> 01:24:01,679
delighted to hear from me and says is

2273
01:24:04,229 --> 01:24:02,000
bob

2274
01:24:05,830 --> 01:24:04,239
around i'm saying doc skinner's standing

2275
01:24:08,550 --> 01:24:05,840
next to me

2276
01:24:09,910 --> 01:24:08,560
and uh she says bob around say yeah he's

2277
01:24:12,070 --> 01:24:09,920
in the lab let me go get him

2278
01:24:13,270 --> 01:24:12,080
so bob came on hey and also going i said

2279
01:24:14,470 --> 01:24:13,280
how does it finally feel to be

2280
01:24:16,390 --> 01:24:14,480
vindicated

2281
01:24:17,990 --> 01:24:16,400
he said initially it was a real rush i

2282
01:24:20,709 --> 01:24:18,000
was just thrilled to death

2283
01:24:21,669 --> 01:24:20,719
but then without any supporting

2284
01:24:24,790 --> 01:24:21,679
photography

2285
01:24:27,830 --> 01:24:24,800
or imagery or artifacts

2286
01:24:31,750 --> 01:24:29,990
he says i think it may it may be a

2287
01:24:34,709 --> 01:24:31,760
diversion of something else there

2288
01:24:36,390 --> 01:24:34,719
you know a lot of times when when when

2289
01:24:37,750 --> 01:24:36,400
the poop hits the fan over here it's

2290
01:24:38,870 --> 01:24:37,760
because the [\h__\h] are doing some

2291
01:24:41,830 --> 01:24:38,880
moments

2292
01:24:43,350 --> 01:24:41,840
yeah yeah and that's i mean that's

2293
01:24:44,709 --> 01:24:43,360
unfortunate that's the world we live in

2294
01:24:46,709 --> 01:24:44,719
today yeah

2295
01:24:49,510 --> 01:24:46,719
and it's such an odd time for them to

2296
01:24:52,390 --> 01:24:49,520
decide to want to drop that information

2297
01:24:53,430 --> 01:24:52,400
when there's so much going on that

2298
01:24:57,830 --> 01:24:53,440
people aren't really paying

2299
01:24:58,550 --> 01:24:57,840
me i mean russia rush rush didn't work

2300
01:25:02,229 --> 01:24:58,560
uh

2301
01:25:05,430 --> 01:25:02,239
didn't work

2302
01:25:07,750 --> 01:25:05,440
riots haven't worked an alien invasion

2303
01:25:09,430 --> 01:25:07,760
i mean that's that should bring a stop

2304
01:25:11,510 --> 01:25:09,440
to the world for a day or two

2305
01:25:12,550 --> 01:25:11,520
so i'm expecting i'm expecting them the

2306
01:25:14,470 --> 01:25:12,560
mother the

2307
01:25:15,820 --> 01:25:14,480
the death star to be yeah come out from

2308
01:25:17,510 --> 01:25:15,830
behind the moon

2309
01:25:21,030 --> 01:25:17,520
[Music]

2310
01:25:25,030 --> 01:25:21,040
yeah we told you we told you

2311
01:25:29,669 --> 01:25:25,040
no do i believe in ufos absolutely

2312
01:25:34,310 --> 01:25:29,679
if aliens alien technology vehicles yes

2313
01:25:36,149 --> 01:25:34,320
ufos from up from outside this planet

2314
01:25:38,149 --> 01:25:36,159
its origins are somewhere you know

2315
01:25:40,390 --> 01:25:38,159
terrestrial or extraterrestrial yeah i'm

2316
01:25:42,310 --> 01:25:40,400
going to call it

2317
01:25:44,310 --> 01:25:42,320
there was rumblings when the movie e.t

2318
01:25:46,149 --> 01:25:44,320
came out

2319
01:25:47,590 --> 01:25:46,159
steven spielberg had tried to get that

2320
01:25:50,790 --> 01:25:47,600
movie funded

2321
01:25:51,669 --> 01:25:50,800
for for a whole bunch of years and

2322
01:25:53,030 --> 01:25:51,679
everybody

2323
01:25:55,189 --> 01:25:53,040
looked at him and laughed at him and

2324
01:25:56,950 --> 01:25:55,199
said yeah you want an alien to come out

2325
01:25:59,189 --> 01:25:56,960
to play with the kids and whatever

2326
01:26:00,149 --> 01:25:59,199
give me a break but there was a feat

2327
01:26:01,750 --> 01:26:00,159
there's a feeling

2328
01:26:03,990 --> 01:26:01,760
that there's an organization within the

2329
01:26:06,709 --> 01:26:04,000
central intelligence agency

2330
01:26:07,990 --> 01:26:06,719
that if if you're promoting an idea or

2331
01:26:11,110 --> 01:26:08,000
trying to promote an idea

2332
01:26:12,629 --> 01:26:11,120
that they're you know that they're agree

2333
01:26:14,790 --> 01:26:12,639
with

2334
01:26:16,310 --> 01:26:14,800
they'll fund you yeah and they and they

2335
01:26:17,430 --> 01:26:16,320
said so almost out of the middle of

2336
01:26:21,270 --> 01:26:17,440
nowhere

2337
01:26:22,790 --> 01:26:21,280
funding came down uh from

2338
01:26:25,189 --> 01:26:22,800
hundred million dollars something like

2339
01:26:28,390 --> 01:26:25,199
that became available to

2340
01:26:30,629 --> 01:26:28,400
uh fund the filming and the initial

2341
01:26:33,590 --> 01:26:30,639
making and seed money for movie e.t

2342
01:26:33,990 --> 01:26:33,600
wow yeah because i'm making a connection

2343
01:26:36,950 --> 01:26:34,000
here

2344
01:26:38,390 --> 01:26:36,960
because the government and whether

2345
01:26:42,149 --> 01:26:38,400
whether it's our government

2346
01:26:44,870 --> 01:26:42,159
or theirs right right we don't know

2347
01:26:46,390 --> 01:26:44,880
we don't know who's in charge it's like

2348
01:26:46,950 --> 01:26:46,400
it's like the olympiad in costco who's

2349
01:26:49,110 --> 01:26:46,960
on first

2350
01:26:50,550 --> 01:26:49,120
what yeah i don't know who's on third

2351
01:26:53,350 --> 01:26:50,560
ooh

2352
01:26:53,910 --> 01:26:53,360
i know who's on second yeah what's on

2353
01:26:58,470 --> 01:26:53,920
third

2354
01:26:59,750 --> 01:26:58,480
yeah yeah i mean uh

2355
01:27:01,669 --> 01:26:59,760
they're what are they what are they

2356
01:27:04,870 --> 01:27:01,679
trying to hide yeah well

2357
01:27:05,510 --> 01:27:04,880
so uh there's a documentary uh i just

2358
01:27:07,669 --> 01:27:05,520
watched called

2359
01:27:08,950 --> 01:27:07,679
out of the shadows and it has and it has

2360
01:27:11,750 --> 01:27:08,960
a lot to do with

2361
01:27:13,910 --> 01:27:11,760
the cia's involvement in hollywood and

2362
01:27:15,189 --> 01:27:13,920
basically any big studio that wants to

2363
01:27:17,270 --> 01:27:15,199
pass a movie

2364
01:27:19,030 --> 01:27:17,280
they if it has anything to do with

2365
01:27:21,430 --> 01:27:19,040
government things and

2366
01:27:23,189 --> 01:27:21,440
whatever it somebody from the cia is

2367
01:27:24,229 --> 01:27:23,199
going to come down and and have a chat

2368
01:27:26,229 --> 01:27:24,239
with you and make sure

2369
01:27:27,430 --> 01:27:26,239
and look through the script i mean this

2370
01:27:29,669 --> 01:27:27,440
is all an insider's

2371
01:27:31,270 --> 01:27:29,679
testimony no i i've worked in hollywood

2372
01:27:33,990 --> 01:27:31,280
and i know i've known people who

2373
01:27:35,590 --> 01:27:34,000
have been in the business yeah ever

2374
01:27:37,590 --> 01:27:35,600
again

2375
01:27:39,990 --> 01:27:37,600
like i was told by by a couple people

2376
01:27:40,870 --> 01:27:40,000
said don't give the spooks more credit

2377
01:27:43,110 --> 01:27:40,880
than they're worth

2378
01:27:44,070 --> 01:27:43,120
okay they got a job interesting and some

2379
01:27:47,270 --> 01:27:44,080
of them really

2380
01:27:49,510 --> 01:27:47,280
hate their job oh god i got to go to

2381
01:27:51,750 --> 01:27:49,520
work today i got a spy on someone's oh

2382
01:27:53,270 --> 01:27:51,760
[\h__\h] i'm tired of the ass you know yeah

2383
01:27:54,390 --> 01:27:53,280
i just you know i just want to go pump

2384
01:27:58,149 --> 01:27:54,400
gas down at the

2385
01:27:58,950 --> 01:27:58,159
end of the you know yeah uh love station

2386
01:28:02,149 --> 01:27:58,960
or whatever

2387
01:28:04,070 --> 01:28:02,159
yeah so that's a refreshing uh

2388
01:28:05,590 --> 01:28:04,080
point of view perspective yeah because

2389
01:28:08,470 --> 01:28:05,600
all i mean all i

2390
01:28:10,149 --> 01:28:08,480
want to hear is is like all they're

2391
01:28:12,470 --> 01:28:10,159
trying to control

2392
01:28:13,510 --> 01:28:12,480
when the first f-117 crashed near

2393
01:28:16,629 --> 01:28:13,520
bakersfield and

2394
01:28:17,350 --> 01:28:16,639
rossmel here was a pilot and i met his

2395
01:28:18,870 --> 01:28:17,360
dad

2396
01:28:20,629 --> 01:28:18,880
he's one of one of my accounts he owned

2397
01:28:22,550 --> 01:28:20,639
the business and we we talked about the

2398
01:28:24,229 --> 01:28:22,560
f-117 i had put pictures of

2399
01:28:25,590 --> 01:28:24,239
even a copy of my book that i signed and

2400
01:28:28,629 --> 01:28:25,600
gave him

2401
01:28:29,189 --> 01:28:28,639
and uh he lost spatial awareness he was

2402
01:28:31,030 --> 01:28:29,199
flying

2403
01:28:34,709 --> 01:28:31,040
you know with the irad and the airplane

2404
01:28:38,629 --> 01:28:34,719
had banked and he wasn't aware of it and

2405
01:28:42,310 --> 01:28:38,639
right into a mountain it was instant

2406
01:28:46,390 --> 01:28:42,320
but friend of mine pete uh

2407
01:28:49,110 --> 01:28:46,400
pete merlin that was me

2408
01:28:50,070 --> 01:28:49,120
uh uh we call him the wizard people yeah

2409
01:28:53,350 --> 01:28:50,080
pete yeah

2410
01:28:55,270 --> 01:28:53,360
pete merlin hey

2411
01:28:57,110 --> 01:28:55,280
sorry she's just guarding her bowl of

2412
01:29:00,310 --> 01:28:57,120
food yeah it's her food

2413
01:29:02,950 --> 01:29:00,320
my dogs he's a

2414
01:29:04,790 --> 01:29:02,960
an aeronautical archaeologist he you'll

2415
01:29:07,669 --> 01:29:04,800
find crash sites cool

2416
01:29:08,550 --> 01:29:07,679
and when i first met pete i figured well

2417
01:29:12,790 --> 01:29:08,560
that's

2418
01:29:14,950 --> 01:29:12,800
pretty okay now you're an aeronautical

2419
01:29:16,629 --> 01:29:14,960
archaeologist he goes to craft sites and

2420
01:29:18,550 --> 01:29:16,639
he'll pick up the pieces of

2421
01:29:20,470 --> 01:29:18,560
classified airplanes have crashed and

2422
01:29:21,910 --> 01:29:20,480
he'll identify where these parts are by

2423
01:29:23,510 --> 01:29:21,920
the part number

2424
01:29:25,910 --> 01:29:23,520
and he has the you know the page out of

2425
01:29:28,550 --> 01:29:25,920
the t.o that shows that part

2426
01:29:29,110 --> 01:29:28,560
and it was i spent a couple hours with

2427
01:29:32,310 --> 01:29:29,120
him at his

2428
01:29:34,390 --> 01:29:32,320
his parents house uh up in the hollywood

2429
01:29:39,510 --> 01:29:34,400
hills when i first met him

2430
01:29:40,870 --> 01:29:39,520
and he does an incredible job yeah um

2431
01:29:42,950 --> 01:29:40,880
yeah he's you know he's also one of the

2432
01:29:44,870 --> 01:29:42,960
interceptors too oh that's cool

2433
01:29:46,390 --> 01:29:44,880
yeah that's awesome yeah and he goes he

2434
01:29:47,590 --> 01:29:46,400
goes out to crash sites and tries to

2435
01:29:51,350 --> 01:29:47,600
identify stuff that

2436
01:29:57,430 --> 01:29:55,350
i like the one that crashed uh

2437
01:29:58,790 --> 01:29:57,440
the one that the first blackbird to

2438
01:30:01,830 --> 01:29:58,800
crash which was

2439
01:30:03,990 --> 01:30:01,840
ken collins it crashed near south of

2440
01:30:06,629 --> 01:30:04,000
wind over utah

2441
01:30:07,590 --> 01:30:06,639
and pete had photos of the crash site

2442
01:30:10,709 --> 01:30:07,600
and he

2443
01:30:13,910 --> 01:30:10,719
he knew about where it went

2444
01:30:16,149 --> 01:30:13,920
and he matched the topography

2445
01:30:17,990 --> 01:30:16,159
and he has a picture that he took of

2446
01:30:21,590 --> 01:30:18,000
from the same angle with the same

2447
01:30:23,510 --> 01:30:21,600
size lens today of you know

2448
01:30:25,189 --> 01:30:23,520
years after the crash and one of the

2449
01:30:25,830 --> 01:30:25,199
crash and you superimpose i mean i mean

2450
01:30:27,669 --> 01:30:25,840
it's

2451
01:30:29,110 --> 01:30:27,679
the hills and everything also identical

2452
01:30:31,750 --> 01:30:29,120
so he knew was the right spot

2453
01:30:32,310 --> 01:30:31,760
she was there with a metal detector and

2454
01:30:40,950 --> 01:30:32,320
he

2455
01:30:41,910 --> 01:30:40,960
that's cool that's awesome about five

2456
01:30:43,750 --> 01:30:41,920
years ago when i

2457
01:30:44,950 --> 01:30:43,760
when i first moved from hawaii and back

2458
01:30:47,669 --> 01:30:44,960
to the mainland

2459
01:30:48,070 --> 01:30:47,679
it had been one it's been more than five

2460
01:30:51,910 --> 01:30:48,080
years

2461
01:30:55,750 --> 01:30:51,920
but something crashed near glenwood

2462
01:30:57,030 --> 01:30:55,760
uh new mexico and when it hit the ground

2463
01:31:00,070 --> 01:30:57,040
i was traveling

2464
01:31:02,550 --> 01:31:00,080
3 000 miles an hour holy cow

2465
01:31:03,590 --> 01:31:02,560
and they put a tfr a temporary flight

2466
01:31:06,550 --> 01:31:03,600
restriction

2467
01:31:08,950 --> 01:31:06,560
30 miles around this long specific

2468
01:31:10,629 --> 01:31:08,960
longitude and latitude

2469
01:31:11,990 --> 01:31:10,639
and this is before i had my corvette and

2470
01:31:15,110 --> 01:31:12,000
i drove my uh

2471
01:31:16,790 --> 01:31:15,120
i decided i was going to investigate and

2472
01:31:17,430 --> 01:31:16,800
i went into glenwood and they were

2473
01:31:20,070 --> 01:31:17,440
having

2474
01:31:21,590 --> 01:31:20,080
it was uh veterans day and they were a

2475
01:31:21,910 --> 01:31:21,600
big thing at the legion hall so i went

2476
01:31:23,750 --> 01:31:21,920
in

2477
01:31:25,270 --> 01:31:23,760
i'm a veteran so i'm sure michael blue

2478
01:31:28,790 --> 01:31:25,280
card yeah

2479
01:31:31,510 --> 01:31:28,800
and uh i met the uh

2480
01:31:33,110 --> 01:31:31,520
he is the fire chief and i said hey i

2481
01:31:35,750 --> 01:31:33,120
got a question he said

2482
01:31:37,430 --> 01:31:35,760
a couple months ago you know you had a

2483
01:31:38,310 --> 01:31:37,440
something crashed out here in the desert

2484
01:31:40,550 --> 01:31:38,320
i mean out here in the

2485
01:31:41,750 --> 01:31:40,560
the wilderness because the the whole

2486
01:31:44,950 --> 01:31:41,760
area is a

2487
01:31:46,149 --> 01:31:44,960
wilderness area within uh camps camping

2488
01:31:47,669 --> 01:31:46,159
area

2489
01:31:49,669 --> 01:31:47,679
said yeah i said there were there were

2490
01:31:51,430 --> 01:31:49,679
trucks and trucks with bulldozers in the

2491
01:31:53,110 --> 01:31:51,440
back and cranes and stuff like that

2492
01:31:54,950 --> 01:31:53,120
where they were in

2493
01:31:56,390 --> 01:31:54,960
they went in you know they went west you

2494
01:31:58,390 --> 01:31:56,400
know into the into the

2495
01:32:00,470 --> 01:31:58,400
mountains down this one particular road

2496
01:32:01,189 --> 01:32:00,480
uh they're in there for a day or two and

2497
01:32:03,350 --> 01:32:01,199
came out

2498
01:32:05,350 --> 01:32:03,360
uh they said it was a half a dozen white

2499
01:32:07,910 --> 01:32:05,360
vans filled with guys

2500
01:32:09,590 --> 01:32:07,920
a flatbed with big tarp over it it

2501
01:32:12,629 --> 01:32:09,600
wasn't a very big pile but

2502
01:32:14,550 --> 01:32:12,639
uh yeah something crashed here

2503
01:32:16,149 --> 01:32:14,560
and i thought i knew the road the dirt

2504
01:32:19,830 --> 01:32:16,159
road they went down

2505
01:32:23,430 --> 01:32:19,840
so i went down six miles down this

2506
01:32:25,669 --> 01:32:23,440
dirt road and i have my gps on my phone

2507
01:32:27,430 --> 01:32:25,679
and this i'm right i'm right at the

2508
01:32:29,430 --> 01:32:27,440
center of the of the temporary flight

2509
01:32:31,669 --> 01:32:29,440
restriction

2510
01:32:33,750 --> 01:32:31,679
which was which was supposed to last for

2511
01:32:36,870 --> 01:32:33,760
30 days

2512
01:32:39,830 --> 01:32:36,880
it was gone within about a week

2513
01:32:40,870 --> 01:32:39,840
but there's no record of a tfr tfr ever

2514
01:32:43,750 --> 01:32:40,880
being filed

2515
01:32:44,470 --> 01:32:43,760
wow so but it was clocked it was

2516
01:32:47,590 --> 01:32:44,480
collected

2517
01:32:48,870 --> 01:32:47,600
at the uh the trade the center at

2518
01:32:51,910 --> 01:32:48,880
albuquerque at three

2519
01:32:55,030 --> 01:32:51,920
thousand thousand miles and hours so

2520
01:32:58,310 --> 01:32:55,040
is that so in the desert

2521
01:33:01,590 --> 01:32:58,320
and in that type of area

2522
01:33:03,110 --> 01:33:01,600
wounds do not heal but it takes

2523
01:33:05,990 --> 01:33:03,120
it takes forever especially in the

2524
01:33:09,270 --> 01:33:06,000
desert persians tank tracks are still

2525
01:33:11,750 --> 01:33:09,280
out in the mojave desert near uh uh

2526
01:33:12,550 --> 01:33:11,760
29 pounds in that area when they were

2527
01:33:15,590 --> 01:33:12,560
practicing

2528
01:33:17,830 --> 01:33:15,600
tank warfare for world war one yeah

2529
01:33:19,750 --> 01:33:17,840
you can still see him from from space

2530
01:33:22,390 --> 01:33:19,760
wow that's pretty nuts so

2531
01:33:23,910 --> 01:33:22,400
when when you do something in the desert

2532
01:33:26,950 --> 01:33:23,920
when you do something in desert

2533
01:33:29,270 --> 01:33:26,960
the scar stays there for a lifetime

2534
01:33:30,870 --> 01:33:29,280
yeah that's why that you know that's why

2535
01:33:31,590 --> 01:33:30,880
they they they protect you know they

2536
01:33:33,510 --> 01:33:31,600
protect

2537
01:33:34,790 --> 01:33:33,520
their deserts from a lot of areas but

2538
01:33:37,510 --> 01:33:34,800
because you start going in there with it

2539
01:33:39,350 --> 01:33:37,520
with a a dirt bike or a

2540
01:33:40,550 --> 01:33:39,360
four-wheeler and tear up and it doesn't

2541
01:33:42,950 --> 01:33:40,560
heal yeah

2542
01:33:45,189 --> 01:33:42,960
it's not like it's not like uh you know

2543
01:33:46,550 --> 01:33:45,199
you can go into a field that

2544
01:33:47,590 --> 01:33:46,560
you know this year we had wheat next

2545
01:33:49,030 --> 01:33:47,600
year we're gonna have cotton or

2546
01:33:52,390 --> 01:33:49,040
something like that yeah that's

2547
01:33:55,590 --> 01:33:52,400
totally different yeah yeah man so

2548
01:33:58,870 --> 01:33:55,600
so are we um

2549
01:34:00,070 --> 01:33:58,880
this one's over here you got your little

2550
01:34:04,390 --> 01:34:00,080
clicker there

2551
01:34:05,110 --> 01:34:04,400
uh so uh i mean when i hear 3 000 miles

2552
01:34:08,149 --> 01:34:05,120
per hour

2553
01:34:11,189 --> 01:34:08,159
that i mean that sounds very fast

2554
01:34:12,709 --> 01:34:11,199
um do we know that it was a a craft of

2555
01:34:17,270 --> 01:34:12,719
ours or

2556
01:34:20,629 --> 01:34:17,280
it's it's a it's an unknown yeah um

2557
01:34:23,750 --> 01:34:20,639
when the when the the

2558
01:34:25,270 --> 01:34:23,760
convoy left it headed it headed towards

2559
01:34:27,910 --> 01:34:25,280
silver city and that's all

2560
01:34:28,310 --> 01:34:27,920
that's all they told me so they could

2561
01:34:35,030 --> 01:34:28,320
have

2562
01:34:36,149 --> 01:34:35,040
you know heading to holloman uh

2563
01:34:38,870 --> 01:34:36,159
they could have been headed you know

2564
01:34:41,270 --> 01:34:38,880
they could have gone sequoia uh

2565
01:34:42,790 --> 01:34:41,280
but they headed south yeah and what's

2566
01:34:47,990 --> 01:34:42,800
with the south is you know

2567
01:34:49,910 --> 01:34:48,000
you know and that part of new mexico

2568
01:34:51,750 --> 01:34:49,920
you got to you you they went the wrong

2569
01:34:53,270 --> 01:34:51,760
direction to you know to go to

2570
01:34:55,510 --> 01:34:53,280
the wrong part of the state to go to

2571
01:34:57,590 --> 01:34:55,520
holloman or the white sands

2572
01:34:59,109 --> 01:34:57,600
okay so we're all i know there had an

2573
01:35:02,550 --> 01:34:59,119
area 51 i don't know

2574
01:35:02,870 --> 01:35:02,560
yeah right but they were there so i went

2575
01:35:06,709 --> 01:35:02,880
and

2576
01:35:08,390 --> 01:35:06,719
half miles to right where the center of

2577
01:35:11,990 --> 01:35:08,400
the tfr was

2578
01:35:14,229 --> 01:35:12,000
and it's a it's a camping area

2579
01:35:15,830 --> 01:35:14,239
so i turn around i didn't have i didn't

2580
01:35:18,629 --> 01:35:15,840
have water with me

2581
01:35:19,750 --> 01:35:18,639
i didn't have provisions and it was just

2582
01:35:23,109 --> 01:35:19,760
a day trip

2583
01:35:25,270 --> 01:35:23,119
300 mile each way but uh

2584
01:35:27,189 --> 01:35:25,280
i went home knowing that that may be the

2585
01:35:30,310 --> 01:35:27,199
road but i didn't go down far enough

2586
01:35:32,149 --> 01:35:30,320
right so it wasn't until a year later

2587
01:35:34,390 --> 01:35:32,159
that stu brown used to be popular

2588
01:35:36,629 --> 01:35:34,400
science and then with fortune

2589
01:35:37,750 --> 01:35:36,639
um we took his car cuz i didn't want to

2590
01:35:40,950 --> 01:35:37,760
damage my car

2591
01:35:41,430 --> 01:35:40,960
and we drove down 21 miles down this

2592
01:35:44,070 --> 01:35:41,440
road

2593
01:35:45,270 --> 01:35:44,080
damn now they had they had a semi with

2594
01:35:46,629 --> 01:35:45,280
flatbed on it

2595
01:35:48,790 --> 01:35:46,639
they were they were corner there were

2596
01:35:49,510 --> 01:35:48,800
turns that we went around that it was

2597
01:35:50,870 --> 01:35:49,520
impossible no

2598
01:35:52,709 --> 01:35:50,880
no truck could make it unless you had a

2599
01:35:54,790 --> 01:35:52,719
crane to lift it up and out over the sky

2600
01:35:56,229 --> 01:35:54,800
and move it

2601
01:35:58,709 --> 01:35:56,239
if they would have bulldozed to the

2602
01:36:00,390 --> 01:35:58,719
crash site there's a road

2603
01:36:01,990 --> 01:36:00,400
there's going to be there's going to be

2604
01:36:05,510 --> 01:36:02,000
there's going to be a scar

2605
01:36:09,189 --> 01:36:05,520
yeah and we just is covered

2606
01:36:12,550 --> 01:36:09,199
crap put us you know put a crimp in that

2607
01:36:16,870 --> 01:36:12,560
yeah um and now the heat

2608
01:36:20,709 --> 01:36:18,709
but also i've never thought about that

2609
01:36:22,550 --> 01:36:20,719
like when there are because we all know

2610
01:36:24,310 --> 01:36:22,560
that you know the people that are into

2611
01:36:25,990 --> 01:36:24,320
this you know this this topic know that

2612
01:36:26,950 --> 01:36:26,000
there are crash retrievals that happen a

2613
01:36:29,030 --> 01:36:26,960
lot and

2614
01:36:31,030 --> 01:36:29,040
i never think about yeah you have to get

2615
01:36:34,229 --> 01:36:31,040
those flatbeds

2616
01:36:36,629 --> 01:36:34,239
out of these wilderness areas so you

2617
01:36:39,750 --> 01:36:36,639
either have to make the road

2618
01:36:39,990 --> 01:36:39,760
or just use the ones that are there and

2619
01:36:43,910 --> 01:36:40,000
if

2620
01:36:46,870 --> 01:36:43,920
would be for the thing to crash

2621
01:36:47,750 --> 01:36:46,880
next to the road yeah yeah so there has

2622
01:36:50,550 --> 01:36:47,760
there has to be an

2623
01:36:51,350 --> 01:36:50,560
impact area there has to be scarring

2624
01:36:54,550 --> 01:36:51,360
where they

2625
01:36:57,750 --> 01:36:54,560
drove the flatbeds and the and the

2626
01:37:00,470 --> 01:36:57,760
tractors the bulldozers off the road

2627
01:37:00,870 --> 01:37:00,480
to go to the crash site even if they try

2628
01:37:06,870 --> 01:37:00,880
to

2629
01:37:08,070 --> 01:37:06,880
the the soil and the and the plants and

2630
01:37:08,629 --> 01:37:08,080
everything else gonna be totally

2631
01:37:10,709 --> 01:37:08,639
different

2632
01:37:11,830 --> 01:37:10,719
than everything around it yeah so it'll

2633
01:37:14,950 --> 01:37:11,840
be it would be a

2634
01:37:17,990 --> 01:37:14,960
maybe a bright green scar uh

2635
01:37:21,590 --> 01:37:18,000
because the the fl the plants and shrubs

2636
01:37:24,950 --> 01:37:23,350
oh maybe there's like a landscaper that

2637
01:37:26,709 --> 01:37:24,960
goes out there and like replants

2638
01:37:28,629 --> 01:37:26,719
plants that's what you do or sneaky

2639
01:37:30,470 --> 01:37:28,639
bastards yeah yeah

2640
01:37:31,750 --> 01:37:30,480
you need to get a government contract

2641
01:37:35,030 --> 01:37:31,760
dude i know

2642
01:37:37,830 --> 01:37:35,040
crash recruitment if you're

2643
01:37:38,629 --> 01:37:37,840
and the question is what was it uh we

2644
01:37:42,149 --> 01:37:38,639
don't know

2645
01:37:44,870 --> 01:37:42,159
uh every time we try to put together a

2646
01:37:45,590 --> 01:37:44,880
expedition something has happened yeah

2647
01:37:49,669 --> 01:37:45,600
yeah

2648
01:37:54,149 --> 01:37:49,679
dear friend and he's

2649
01:37:56,709 --> 01:37:54,159
uh he has sort of a rolling nsa

2650
01:37:57,270 --> 01:37:56,719
he's a ham radio operator and he's an

2651
01:38:01,430 --> 01:37:57,280
intercept

2652
01:38:03,750 --> 01:38:01,440
control room in his house

2653
01:38:06,229 --> 01:38:03,760
and he has monitors going all the time

2654
01:38:07,750 --> 01:38:06,239
he has special antennas for picking up

2655
01:38:09,910 --> 01:38:07,760
things maybe he shouldn't pick him up

2656
01:38:11,590 --> 01:38:09,920
because they go they go and they bounce

2657
01:38:14,149 --> 01:38:11,600
frequencies around and he's

2658
01:38:15,590 --> 01:38:14,159
figured out how to unbounce it i don't

2659
01:38:18,070 --> 01:38:15,600
know if i got you in trouble steve i'm

2660
01:38:21,990 --> 01:38:20,070
hey we're still a small podcast man yeah

2661
01:38:23,990 --> 01:38:22,000
no one's listening yeah

2662
01:38:25,510 --> 01:38:24,000
no one important at least but he's you

2663
01:38:27,109 --> 01:38:25,520
know but he's he's a

2664
01:38:29,830 --> 01:38:27,119
he's one of the interceptors too and

2665
01:38:32,870 --> 01:38:29,840
he's uh

2666
01:38:36,629 --> 01:38:32,880
he's he's heard reports of stuff and uh

2667
01:38:43,590 --> 01:38:41,669
i've been doing this forever

2668
01:38:45,350 --> 01:38:43,600
before a lot of you out there wherever

2669
01:38:46,550 --> 01:38:45,360
i'm born i've been doing this i do it

2670
01:38:48,470 --> 01:38:46,560
because i enjoy it

2671
01:38:50,870 --> 01:38:48,480
yeah i like being i like being outside

2672
01:38:52,470 --> 01:38:50,880
like yeah i like the desert

2673
01:38:55,030 --> 01:38:52,480
i like to doing things i'm not supposed

2674
01:39:03,430 --> 01:38:58,390
and i'm good at it

2675
01:39:05,830 --> 01:39:03,440
yeah and uh it's it's

2676
01:39:07,430 --> 01:39:05,840
you i'm a firm believer and you you have

2677
01:39:10,870 --> 01:39:07,440
to you have to live the

2678
01:39:13,910 --> 01:39:10,880
life uh as

2679
01:39:15,270 --> 01:39:13,920
exciting as you can absolutely because

2680
01:39:17,350 --> 01:39:15,280
you don't know if you're going to walk

2681
01:39:20,709 --> 01:39:17,360
outside and get hit hit by a

2682
01:39:21,990 --> 01:39:20,719
meteorite or you know or there's be an

2683
01:39:24,790 --> 01:39:22,000
earthquake or

2684
01:39:25,270 --> 01:39:24,800
uh you're going to have a massive heart

2685
01:39:28,790 --> 01:39:25,280
attack

2686
01:39:31,030 --> 01:39:28,800
i don't know car crash yeah yeah

2687
01:39:32,790 --> 01:39:31,040
every you know every time i ever saw my

2688
01:39:35,590 --> 01:39:32,800
saw my any of my children

2689
01:39:37,510 --> 01:39:35,600
my son or my daughter my grandsons i

2690
01:39:39,030 --> 01:39:37,520
tell them i love them

2691
01:39:40,310 --> 01:39:39,040
because i never i didn't hear that from

2692
01:39:42,149 --> 01:39:40,320
my dad when i was growing up i did for

2693
01:39:42,550 --> 01:39:42,159
my mom she was sicilian that's all i

2694
01:39:45,109 --> 01:39:42,560
mean

2695
01:39:45,750 --> 01:39:45,119
yeah thank god for my sister yeah mom

2696
01:39:47,669 --> 01:39:45,760
yeah

2697
01:39:48,870 --> 01:39:47,679
um but my dad was born and raised in the

2698
01:39:51,189 --> 01:39:48,880
infantry and

2699
01:39:53,510 --> 01:39:51,199
he wasn't allowed an emotion so i went

2700
01:39:54,709 --> 01:39:53,520
on my way to tell my kids and my wives

2701
01:39:58,390 --> 01:39:54,719
i've had a couple

2702
01:40:00,870 --> 01:39:58,400
yeah uh i'm a real good one now so

2703
01:40:04,070 --> 01:40:00,880
uh i know it's it's important it's

2704
01:40:05,510 --> 01:40:04,080
important that you you live that's why

2705
01:40:07,350 --> 01:40:05,520
you know i started i started my road

2706
01:40:08,470 --> 01:40:07,360
trip initially in the beginning of this

2707
01:40:10,629 --> 01:40:08,480
coven 19

2708
01:40:11,990 --> 01:40:10,639
[\h__\h] yeah uh i don't know if you can

2709
01:40:12,470 --> 01:40:12,000
have that on the air or what you're

2710
01:40:14,229 --> 01:40:12,480
having

2711
01:40:16,149 --> 01:40:14,239
yeah yeah you're fine it does not matter

2712
01:40:17,910 --> 01:40:16,159
yeah um

2713
01:40:21,109 --> 01:40:17,920
yeah it started in april and yeah but i

2714
01:40:24,149 --> 01:40:21,119
was in minneapolis when uh

2715
01:40:25,669 --> 01:40:24,159
george floyd got uh taken out yeah

2716
01:40:28,470 --> 01:40:25,679
i was there for all the big and all the

2717
01:40:29,830 --> 01:40:28,480
writing i i was with my son and i said

2718
01:40:31,510 --> 01:40:29,840
i'm getting out of dodge i'm not gonna

2719
01:40:33,109 --> 01:40:31,520
be around so i drove non-stop from

2720
01:40:35,030 --> 01:40:33,119
minneapolis

2721
01:40:36,149 --> 01:40:35,040
to just north of colorado springs

2722
01:40:38,390 --> 01:40:36,159
thousand miles

2723
01:40:39,350 --> 01:40:38,400
without stopping wow other than getting

2724
01:40:42,070 --> 01:40:39,360
gas i didn't want to

2725
01:40:43,669 --> 01:40:42,080
be near any big city yeah yeah stayed in

2726
01:40:45,510 --> 01:40:43,679
the albuquerque an old town

2727
01:40:48,830 --> 01:40:45,520
where still lives and the next day i was

2728
01:40:52,950 --> 01:40:50,070
um

2729
01:40:53,590 --> 01:40:52,960
i i you don't know when it's going to

2730
01:40:56,709 --> 01:40:53,600
end

2731
01:40:58,629 --> 01:40:56,719
yeah and i've

2732
01:41:00,470 --> 01:40:58,639
i have been blessed by having some very

2733
01:41:04,310 --> 01:41:00,480
very wonderful friends in my life

2734
01:41:08,229 --> 01:41:04,320
uh i have uh i married a couple

2735
01:41:10,709 --> 01:41:08,239
absolutely gorgeous women in my life um

2736
01:41:12,870 --> 01:41:10,719
i have the most fantastic wonderful son

2737
01:41:14,870 --> 01:41:12,880
a dad could ever want

2738
01:41:15,830 --> 01:41:14,880
yeah his name is james like his father

2739
01:41:18,310 --> 01:41:15,840
and his grandfather and his

2740
01:41:21,030 --> 01:41:18,320
great-grandfather all right

2741
01:41:23,270 --> 01:41:21,040
and i have a beautiful daughter she's

2742
01:41:25,590 --> 01:41:23,280
taken on a task that

2743
01:41:26,950 --> 01:41:25,600
uh would probably nominate her for state

2744
01:41:29,189 --> 01:41:26,960
you know for sainthood

2745
01:41:30,830 --> 01:41:29,199
yeah absolutely my daughters and her

2746
01:41:34,310 --> 01:41:30,840
husband have taken on

2747
01:41:37,669 --> 01:41:34,320
adopting two autistic boys

2748
01:41:39,590 --> 01:41:37,679
they're hmong their age five and six

2749
01:41:41,189 --> 01:41:39,600
and those are two of the luckiest little

2750
01:41:42,709 --> 01:41:41,199
boys in the whole wide world

2751
01:41:44,470 --> 01:41:42,719
yeah definitely because my daughter

2752
01:41:45,109 --> 01:41:44,480
would just soon chew her arm off and

2753
01:41:47,990 --> 01:41:45,119
fail

2754
01:41:48,950 --> 01:41:48,000
yeah yeah yeah she's she's that she's

2755
01:41:52,390 --> 01:41:48,960
that focused

2756
01:41:52,709 --> 01:41:52,400
yeah yeah and i've you know i've again

2757
01:41:55,270 --> 01:41:52,719
i've

2758
01:41:57,109 --> 01:41:55,280
delighted to when i ran into you guys i

2759
01:41:58,550 --> 01:41:57,119
i knew it was

2760
01:42:00,390 --> 01:41:58,560
it was the right thing to do i believe

2761
01:42:02,070 --> 01:42:00,400
in fate we you know

2762
01:42:03,830 --> 01:42:02,080
we we came together because we were

2763
01:42:06,310 --> 01:42:03,840
supposed to yeah yep

2764
01:42:08,709 --> 01:42:06,320
absolutely yeah i i came down through

2765
01:42:09,990 --> 01:42:08,719
texas on my way home

2766
01:42:12,629 --> 01:42:10,000
for a couple reasons but one of the

2767
01:42:15,590 --> 01:42:12,639
reasons i really wanted to come and

2768
01:42:16,310 --> 01:42:15,600
spend an evening with you guys yeah and

2769
01:42:19,590 --> 01:42:16,320
here i am

2770
01:42:21,430 --> 01:42:19,600
yeah i mean what better time to to do it

2771
01:42:21,990 --> 01:42:21,440
i mean if you're already on a road trip

2772
01:42:23,350 --> 01:42:22,000
i mean

2773
01:42:25,030 --> 01:42:23,360
when when's the next time we're going to

2774
01:42:27,669 --> 01:42:25,040
be able to uh why i

2775
01:42:28,709 --> 01:42:27,679
i asked joe earlier when you headed out

2776
01:42:32,149 --> 01:42:28,719
you know home to

2777
01:42:33,430 --> 01:42:32,159
get the thing you forgot yeah i said

2778
01:42:34,950 --> 01:42:33,440
well i told you i was gonna come by and

2779
01:42:35,350 --> 01:42:34,960
visit you do you really did you really

2780
01:42:37,910 --> 01:42:35,360
think

2781
01:42:40,070 --> 01:42:37,920
i was gonna drive to taylor texas to

2782
01:42:42,629 --> 01:42:40,080
visit you

2783
01:42:44,310 --> 01:42:42,639
yeah i mean no i mean yeah it was just

2784
01:42:46,310 --> 01:42:44,320
it's it's just nice that you were

2785
01:42:48,149 --> 01:42:46,320
actually able to

2786
01:42:49,830 --> 01:42:48,159
on your road trip you know like what are

2787
01:42:51,830 --> 01:42:49,840
your last stops so that's

2788
01:42:53,590 --> 01:42:51,840
that's awesome that you were able to

2789
01:42:56,550 --> 01:42:53,600
actually come and make it out

2790
01:42:56,870 --> 01:42:56,560
we're glad that you were able to come

2791
01:43:00,149 --> 01:42:56,880
out

2792
01:43:02,870 --> 01:43:00,159
you know i mean it's uh

2793
01:43:03,669 --> 01:43:02,880
we're you know we want to start going

2794
01:43:06,149 --> 01:43:03,679
and meeting

2795
01:43:07,189 --> 01:43:06,159
all these different people um and it's

2796
01:43:09,030 --> 01:43:07,199
awesome that like

2797
01:43:10,870 --> 01:43:09,040
one of the coolest people that we've met

2798
01:43:12,870 --> 01:43:10,880
so far doing all this stuff

2799
01:43:14,629 --> 01:43:12,880
i appreciate the compliment yeah i was

2800
01:43:16,629 --> 01:43:14,639
when i when i went to the the phoenix

2801
01:43:19,750 --> 01:43:16,639
function last year

2802
01:43:22,550 --> 01:43:19,760
i had i had done absolutely nothing

2803
01:43:24,550 --> 01:43:22,560
ufo related for 10 years i lived in

2804
01:43:26,310 --> 01:43:24,560
hawaii from four

2805
01:43:28,550 --> 01:43:26,320
and when i retired from the pacific

2806
01:43:31,109 --> 01:43:28,560
aviation museum there in pearl harbor

2807
01:43:32,149 --> 01:43:31,119
i retired moved to move to tucson and i

2808
01:43:33,910 --> 01:43:32,159
spent

2809
01:43:35,590 --> 01:43:33,920
six years working on books my blackberry

2810
01:43:38,149 --> 01:43:35,600
book is one of them

2811
01:43:39,430 --> 01:43:38,159
uh and it and i went to i went i went to

2812
01:43:40,870 --> 01:43:39,440
the the

2813
01:43:43,109 --> 01:43:40,880
congress or the conference whatever it

2814
01:43:45,270 --> 01:43:43,119
was on a whim yeah mm-hmm

2815
01:43:46,790 --> 01:43:45,280
and meet my friend michael schrad ufo

2816
01:43:49,830 --> 01:43:46,800
com and

2817
01:43:53,109 --> 01:43:49,840
uh george knapp yep and jeremy corwell

2818
01:43:53,750 --> 01:43:53,119
and that's when i ran into doc skinner

2819
01:43:57,430 --> 01:43:53,760
and i ran in

2820
01:44:00,390 --> 01:43:57,440
i ran into lauren felton and that's when

2821
01:44:05,270 --> 01:44:02,709
robert dolan came chasing after me after

2822
01:44:07,350 --> 01:44:05,280
i left my car jim jim jim

2823
01:44:09,030 --> 01:44:07,360
no one knew who i was i am yeah and he

2824
01:44:10,950 --> 01:44:09,040
said you were not you went on the menu

2825
01:44:11,990 --> 01:44:10,960
you went on the program oh [\h__\h] i didn't

2826
01:44:13,270 --> 01:44:12,000
know i was gonna be here until this

2827
01:44:14,950 --> 01:44:13,280
morning yes i did

2828
01:44:16,550 --> 01:44:14,960
go to phoenix this morning if richard

2829
01:44:17,030 --> 01:44:16,560
dolan's chasing after you you're doing

2830
01:44:20,070 --> 01:44:17,040
something

2831
01:44:20,790 --> 01:44:20,080
uh interesting yeah and and i don't

2832
01:44:24,390 --> 01:44:20,800
under i

2833
01:44:27,430 --> 01:44:24,400
i don't i i appreciate the

2834
01:44:29,830 --> 01:44:27,440
the notoriety i don't understand

2835
01:44:31,430 --> 01:44:29,840
how i became anything other than a

2836
01:44:34,070 --> 01:44:31,440
friend of bob lazar

2837
01:44:34,790 --> 01:44:34,080
right but i have spent a lot of time in

2838
01:44:37,750 --> 01:44:34,800
the desert

2839
01:44:38,550 --> 01:44:37,760
and i and i am really good at snooping

2840
01:44:40,790 --> 01:44:38,560
and

2841
01:44:42,709 --> 01:44:40,800
i do my very very best to pull out as

2842
01:44:44,629 --> 01:44:42,719
much information from people as i can

2843
01:44:45,910 --> 01:44:44,639
yeah without without violating their

2844
01:44:47,510 --> 01:44:45,920
trust right right

2845
01:44:49,189 --> 01:44:47,520
i think if you knew how big of a deal

2846
01:44:51,270 --> 01:44:49,199
you were it i

2847
01:44:53,030 --> 01:44:51,280
it wouldn't be as special i think it's

2848
01:44:56,070 --> 01:44:53,040
your humbleness that makes it

2849
01:44:59,189 --> 01:44:56,080
more awesome i am

2850
01:45:02,790 --> 01:44:59,199
i am nobody special i'm a guy

2851
01:45:03,830 --> 01:45:02,800
who loves airplanes i'm a guy who likes

2852
01:45:05,910 --> 01:45:03,840
technology

2853
01:45:07,669 --> 01:45:05,920
i'm a guy who likes things that go bump

2854
01:45:11,189 --> 01:45:07,679
in the night

2855
01:45:14,149 --> 01:45:11,199
and it's my job as american taxpayer

2856
01:45:15,430 --> 01:45:14,159
to ask questions of my government yep

2857
01:45:18,229 --> 01:45:15,440
and i'm really good at it

2858
01:45:19,669 --> 01:45:18,239
i'm not intimidated intimidated by them

2859
01:45:21,990 --> 01:45:19,679
when i when i had my

2860
01:45:22,950 --> 01:45:22,000
go around with my pentagon pass i never

2861
01:45:25,990 --> 01:45:22,960
got into that

2862
01:45:27,990 --> 01:45:26,000
that part of it oh yeah you know

2863
01:45:29,910 --> 01:45:28,000
yeah as i was saying they i'll start

2864
01:45:32,870 --> 01:45:29,920
from refresh refreshed

2865
01:45:34,470 --> 01:45:32,880
the crew i had my i had a flag of my my

2866
01:45:36,070 --> 01:45:34,480
uh security clearance because i was

2867
01:45:38,310 --> 01:45:36,080
under an investigation for something and

2868
01:45:40,709 --> 01:45:38,320
my wing commander had not been

2869
01:45:41,990 --> 01:45:40,719
advised of it which is required by air

2870
01:45:44,149 --> 01:45:42,000
force regulations

2871
01:45:46,229 --> 01:45:44,159
that the commanding officer be prized

2872
01:45:48,310 --> 01:45:46,239
within 24 hours

2873
01:45:50,149 --> 01:45:48,320
of someone under their command being

2874
01:45:51,350 --> 01:45:50,159
under investigation for a security

2875
01:45:56,790 --> 01:45:51,360
violation

2876
01:45:59,030 --> 01:45:56,800
first book on the f-117

2877
01:46:02,149 --> 01:45:59,040
which apparently had things that were

2878
01:46:03,830 --> 01:46:02,159
still classified top secret in it

2879
01:46:05,430 --> 01:46:03,840
but i had this meeting with pete ames

2880
01:46:06,070 --> 01:46:05,440
and another agent and i know it was

2881
01:46:09,270 --> 01:46:06,080
filmed and

2882
01:46:09,750 --> 01:46:09,280
and uh recorded and he's telling me he

2883
01:46:11,030 --> 01:46:09,760
said

2884
01:46:13,510 --> 01:46:11,040
you know i don't like the questions

2885
01:46:14,550 --> 01:46:13,520
you're asking i said it's my job as a

2886
01:46:16,550 --> 01:46:14,560
taxpayer

2887
01:46:17,750 --> 01:46:16,560
to ask questions of my government and

2888
01:46:20,629 --> 01:46:17,760
it's your job

2889
01:46:23,669 --> 01:46:20,639
as an employee of we the people to

2890
01:46:25,430 --> 01:46:23,679
answer those questions honestly

2891
01:46:27,590 --> 01:46:25,440
and as we're going round and round and

2892
01:46:30,550 --> 01:46:27,600
we finally uh

2893
01:46:31,590 --> 01:46:30,560
we're getting to the getting to the end

2894
01:46:34,310 --> 01:46:31,600
and i said pete

2895
01:46:35,990 --> 01:46:34,320
are we done i said yes and i stand up

2896
01:46:38,470 --> 01:46:36,000
and he's kind of a short guy

2897
01:46:39,910 --> 01:46:38,480
i looked at him down on him i said pete

2898
01:46:40,870 --> 01:46:39,920
you know what really pisses you off

2899
01:46:43,109 --> 01:46:40,880
about me

2900
01:46:45,189 --> 01:46:43,119
so what's that i said i'm not afraidy

2901
01:46:48,149 --> 01:46:45,199
and i go

2902
01:46:49,430 --> 01:46:48,159
i gave him a raspberry he went i mean

2903
01:46:51,750 --> 01:46:49,440
you could just see him

2904
01:46:53,750 --> 01:46:51,760
the rage and i have a bunny of mine at

2905
01:46:53,990 --> 01:46:53,760
work to join chiefs he said he heard

2906
01:46:55,510 --> 01:46:54,000
that

2907
01:46:58,390 --> 01:46:55,520
pete was ordered to go home by the

2908
01:46:59,510 --> 01:46:58,400
medics about 15 minutes after i left

2909
01:47:03,109 --> 01:46:59,520
because they couldn't get his blood

2910
01:47:06,550 --> 01:47:04,790
i think that's another like really

2911
01:47:08,629 --> 01:47:06,560
awesome message i mean

2912
01:47:10,149 --> 01:47:08,639
not only just in this podcast but i this

2913
01:47:11,510 --> 01:47:10,159
specific episode but i think

2914
01:47:13,510 --> 01:47:11,520
one of the things that you stand for

2915
01:47:16,310 --> 01:47:13,520
that's awesome and i hope people

2916
01:47:18,070 --> 01:47:16,320
take this to heart is like just the

2917
01:47:19,750 --> 01:47:18,080
government isn't that

2918
01:47:21,669 --> 01:47:19,760
you know i mean they can just they can

2919
01:47:22,629 --> 01:47:21,679
destroy you and have been a pen stroke

2920
01:47:25,750 --> 01:47:22,639
if they wanted to

2921
01:47:28,629 --> 01:47:25,760
but if you know your rights you can

2922
01:47:29,109 --> 01:47:28,639
am am i am i saying too much or is it

2923
01:47:31,830 --> 01:47:29,119
wrong

2924
01:47:33,830 --> 01:47:31,840
i i have i have never drawn inside the

2925
01:47:34,390 --> 01:47:33,840
lines i have never played inside the box

2926
01:47:37,510 --> 01:47:34,400
right

2927
01:47:41,430 --> 01:47:37,520
i've never in my life

2928
01:47:43,990 --> 01:47:41,440
um and when i was seven

2929
01:47:45,830 --> 01:47:44,000
my best friend's dad was base commander

2930
01:47:47,430 --> 01:47:45,840
at moffitt field naval air station

2931
01:47:49,030 --> 01:47:47,440
off the field in mountain view

2932
01:47:53,910 --> 01:47:49,040
california home of

2933
01:47:56,390 --> 01:47:53,920
nasa ames it was naca back then

2934
01:47:57,590 --> 01:47:56,400
and my my best friend was named danny

2935
01:47:59,590 --> 01:47:57,600
and his dad was

2936
01:48:00,790 --> 01:47:59,600
was commander and we were always

2937
01:48:02,790 --> 01:48:00,800
referred to

2938
01:48:04,070 --> 01:48:02,800
captain smith's son and that friend of

2939
01:48:07,510 --> 01:48:04,080
his i mean

2940
01:48:09,030 --> 01:48:07,520
that friend to his friend and i set pins

2941
01:48:10,790 --> 01:48:09,040
at the bowling alley and we and we

2942
01:48:11,270 --> 01:48:10,800
really had to run at the base everybody

2943
01:48:15,750 --> 01:48:11,280
knew

2944
01:48:17,350 --> 01:48:15,760
us we were like batman and robin type

2945
01:48:19,830 --> 01:48:17,360
and i came over the base one day during

2946
01:48:21,590 --> 01:48:19,840
the summer and and danny says

2947
01:48:24,950 --> 01:48:21,600
there's the coolest airplane i've ever

2948
01:48:27,109 --> 01:48:24,960
seen in the big hangar hangar one

2949
01:48:28,950 --> 01:48:27,119
so let's go take a look at it so we're

2950
01:48:31,430 --> 01:48:28,960
riding our bikes we'd ride right to

2951
01:48:32,550 --> 01:48:31,440
our bikes right down the hangar is you

2952
01:48:34,149 --> 01:48:32,560
know they're attacking you're bringing

2953
01:48:37,189 --> 01:48:34,159
airplanes in and out and

2954
01:48:40,390 --> 01:48:37,199
far end closest to the bay

2955
01:48:41,030 --> 01:48:40,400
is a an area has curtains blocking off

2956
01:48:44,390 --> 01:48:41,040
the area

2957
01:48:45,430 --> 01:48:44,400
it says keep out we're seven years old

2958
01:48:48,629 --> 01:48:45,440
we can read but

2959
01:48:52,310 --> 01:48:48,639
yeah it doesn't come comprehend you know

2960
01:48:53,950 --> 01:48:52,320
comprendo so we moved the currency back

2961
01:48:58,229 --> 01:48:53,960
and here is the

2962
01:49:00,470 --> 01:48:58,239
xf-104 starfighter from the skunk works

2963
01:49:02,790 --> 01:49:00,480
the very first f-104 it had been in the

2964
01:49:04,709 --> 01:49:02,800
in the i want to pull up a photo of it

2965
01:49:07,910 --> 01:49:04,719
what is it called yeah the the lockheed

2966
01:49:09,590 --> 01:49:07,920
f-104 star fighter

2967
01:49:12,629 --> 01:49:09,600
it was a missile with a man in it it's

2968
01:49:15,750 --> 01:49:12,639
seven foot wings at a j79 and wow

2969
01:49:17,350 --> 01:49:15,760
go mach 2.2 it's beautiful

2970
01:49:20,229 --> 01:49:17,360
it looks like a stiletto it's a

2971
01:49:26,830 --> 01:49:20,239
beautiful looking airplane

2972
01:49:32,550 --> 01:49:28,070
yeah

2973
01:49:34,470 --> 01:49:32,560
the prototype

2974
01:49:35,910 --> 01:49:34,480
it's still classified secret because i

2975
01:49:38,229 --> 01:49:35,920
know that because i just finished the

2976
01:49:40,229 --> 01:49:38,239
history of it

2977
01:49:43,510 --> 01:49:40,239
and danny said get in the cockpit

2978
01:49:44,550 --> 01:49:43,520
because the canopy was open oh that's

2979
01:49:46,070 --> 01:49:44,560
so i don't know if i don't know if he

2980
01:49:48,870 --> 01:49:46,080
opened the canopy or i got in the

2981
01:49:50,870 --> 01:49:48,880
cockpit and closed the canopy

2982
01:49:52,229 --> 01:49:50,880
and i'm sitting there just this is

2983
01:49:55,109 --> 01:49:52,239
really cool then i realized i'm an

2984
01:49:57,990 --> 01:49:55,119
ejection seat

2985
01:49:59,350 --> 01:49:58,000
not knowing that you're not going to

2986
01:50:00,790 --> 01:49:59,360
have an arm ejectancy

2987
01:50:02,870 --> 01:50:00,800
when it's in a wind tunnel or it's in

2988
01:50:04,870 --> 01:50:02,880
the hangar and it's a prototype or

2989
01:50:07,350 --> 01:50:04,880
whatever and it was also a downward

2990
01:50:11,430 --> 01:50:07,360
ejection seat

2991
01:50:14,950 --> 01:50:11,440
so uh okay i'm gonna get outside

2992
01:50:15,589 --> 01:50:14,960
danny open the canopy and he couldn't

2993
01:50:17,910 --> 01:50:15,599
unlock it

2994
01:50:20,070 --> 01:50:17,920
oh no i think it's jammed she had to

2995
01:50:22,470 --> 01:50:20,080
call shore patrol

2996
01:50:23,189 --> 01:50:22,480
and the marines to come and take me out

2997
01:50:24,470 --> 01:50:23,199
of

2998
01:50:26,950 --> 01:50:24,480
and that was and that's really where my

2999
01:50:28,870 --> 01:50:26,960
passion for lockheed airplanes started

3000
01:50:30,629 --> 01:50:28,880
that's great that's awesome that's so

3001
01:50:33,350 --> 01:50:30,639
great getting stuck in a

3002
01:50:35,910 --> 01:50:33,360
in a secret airplane yeah not supposed

3003
01:50:40,709 --> 01:50:38,709
when you're seven years old oh man it's

3004
01:50:46,229 --> 01:50:40,719
some foreshadowing for yeah

3005
01:50:50,550 --> 01:50:48,709
what else i mean that's that's pretty

3006
01:50:52,870 --> 01:50:50,560
good i think you're i think

3007
01:50:55,430 --> 01:50:52,880
the way that we kind of tarantino this

3008
01:50:58,390 --> 01:50:55,440
where your origin story came at the very

3009
01:50:59,589 --> 01:50:58,400
end and how it brings in your passion

3010
01:51:01,669 --> 01:50:59,599
for all this stuff

3011
01:51:03,350 --> 01:51:01,679
i think that's a perfect place to end

3012
01:51:05,990 --> 01:51:03,360
yeah that sounds good i

3013
01:51:07,750 --> 01:51:06,000
am i am delighted to see you two again

3014
01:51:10,950 --> 01:51:07,760
yeah i want to see it another likewise

3015
01:51:13,189 --> 01:51:10,960
ufo conference absolutely yes um

3016
01:51:14,149 --> 01:51:13,199
who knows we may have been visited by

3017
01:51:16,470 --> 01:51:14,159
then yeah

3018
01:51:17,910 --> 01:51:16,480
yeah we might we might have been and uh

3019
01:51:20,229 --> 01:51:17,920
we'll have to come in uh we'll have to

3020
01:51:20,629 --> 01:51:20,239
come and visit you out in arizona yeah i

3021
01:51:23,830 --> 01:51:20,639
would be

3022
01:51:25,109 --> 01:51:23,840
man i have a guest room and i don't know

3023
01:51:26,470 --> 01:51:25,119
if the two of you can

3024
01:51:28,550 --> 01:51:26,480
you know we also have a height of bed in

3025
01:51:30,709 --> 01:51:28,560
the in the office so cool man

3026
01:51:32,229 --> 01:51:30,719
we'll figure it out i've slept on many

3027
01:51:33,990 --> 01:51:32,239
floors

3028
01:51:35,430 --> 01:51:34,000
and i have a pool and i have a hot tub

3029
01:51:38,629 --> 01:51:35,440
awesome awesome

3030
01:51:40,550 --> 01:51:38,639
damn if you guys come out i

3031
01:51:42,229 --> 01:51:40,560
i intend to have a german shepherd

3032
01:51:44,229 --> 01:51:42,239
rescue dog by then

3033
01:51:45,910 --> 01:51:44,239
awesome yeah awesome yeah that sounds

3034
01:51:47,589 --> 01:51:45,920
great that sounds great

3035
01:51:49,030 --> 01:51:47,599
well yeah dude i think that's going to

3036
01:51:50,709 --> 01:51:49,040
be yeah i mean

3037
01:51:52,550 --> 01:51:50,719
thank you so much again man that that

3038
01:51:55,189 --> 01:51:52,560
was that was awesome

3039
01:51:55,990 --> 01:51:55,199
man i am absolutely delighted to do it

3040
01:51:58,470 --> 01:51:56,000
in person

3041
01:52:00,070 --> 01:51:58,480
yeah that makes it even more fun i know

3042
01:52:01,350 --> 01:52:00,080
i know i'm so glad we got to do this

3043
01:52:04,550 --> 01:52:01,360
thank you again for the book

3044
01:52:06,629 --> 01:52:04,560
yeah and the patch and everything and uh

3045
01:52:07,830 --> 01:52:06,639
yeah man that's it for me it's ever made